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(EDIT) I was talking about a different deal here. I originally assumed this was the Google/Safari deal. It is interesting, however, to see the amounts: 2007,

by whstl 4y ago

(EDIT) I was talking about a different deal here. I originally assumed this was the Google/Safari deal. It is interesting, however, to see the amounts: 2007, 25 million: https://daringfireball.net/2007/06/wwdc_2007_keynote https://daringfireball.net/2007/06/wwdc_2007_keynote 2009, 82 million: https://techcrunch.com/2013/02/12/google-to-pay-apple-1-billion-next-year-to-be-default-search-engine-on-ios/ https://techcrunch.com/2013/02/12/google-to-pay-apple-1-bill... (sorry couldn't find the original article) 2013, 1 billion: https://techcrunch.com/2013/02/12/google-to-pay-apple-1-billion-next-year-to-be-default-search-engine-on-ios/ https://techcrunch.com/2013/02/12/google-to-pay-apple-1-bill... (same as above) 2015, 1 billion: https://searchengineland.com/prediction-apple-will-not-renew-google-safari-default-search-engine-216461 https://searchengineland.com/prediction-apple-will-not-renew... 2016, 1 billion: https://www.macworld.com/article/227243/report-google-is-the-default-iphone-search-engine-because-it-paid-apple-1-billion.html https://www.macworld.com/article/227243/report-google-is-the... and https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/22/google-paid-apple-1bn-to-be-default-ios-search-engine https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/22/google-pa... 2017, 3 billion: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-paying-apple-3-billion-remain-safaris-default-search-engine/211308/ https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-paying-apple-3-bi... 2018, 9 billion: https://searchengineland.com/report-google-to-pay-apple-9-billion-to-remain-default-search-engine-on-safari-306082 https://searchengineland.com/report-google-to-pay-apple-9-bi... 2018, 12 billion: https://fortune.com/2018/09/29/google-apple-safari-search-engine/ https://fortune.com/2018/09/29/google-apple-safari-search-en... 2019, 9 billion: https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/02/12/apple-may-have-been-paid-95b-by-google-in-2018-to-stay-default-safari-search-option https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/02/12/apple-may-have-be... 2020: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-24/deals-with-apple-aapl-mozilla-show-how-google-googl-discourages-competition https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-24/deals-wit...

CharlesW 4y ago
Those stories are about what Google pays Apple to be the default Safari search engine. This new claim is that Google pays Apple cut of search revenue, in addition to that.
- samwillis 4y ago
  Even more specifically this is a report that they pay a cut of advertising revenue for searches performed via Chrome on iOS, as in not Safari. Yes the Safari deal has been well known, but Chrome deal was not known and raises questions.
  - stbenjam 4y ago
    Chrome on iOS is just safari with a chrome wrapper, like every other browser on iOS. It doesn’t surprise me that the revenue deal works for all browsers because they’re all using Safari under the hood…
    - vineyardmike 4y ago
      Why? The money comes from being default search engine in the default browser. If a user goes out of their way to use chrome… they we’re probably going to switch to Google search. My only guess is that apple was gunna force all browser apps to respect default search engine settings unless Google paid the money.
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  - CharlesW 4y ago
    > Even more specifically this is a report that they pay a cut of advertising revenue for searches performed via Chrome on iOS, as in not Safari. TFA claims that in section 5.118, Google pays a cut for people using Safari as well. "Under these agreements, Apple receives a significant share of revenue from Google Search traffic on Safari and [x] on iOS devices."
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- kornhole 4y ago
  The ostensible agreement is just to be the default search engine. Estimates this year for pay out is ~$20B. Now that we know that it is also based on actual searches, we are safe to assume they are passing other data too.

by whstl 4y ago

CharlesW 4y ago

Those stories are about what Google pays Apple to be the default Safari search engine. This new claim is that Google pays Apple cut of search revenue, in addition to that.

samwillis 4y ago
Even more specifically this is a report that they pay a cut of advertising revenue for searches performed via Chrome on iOS, as in not Safari. Yes the Safari deal has been well known, but Chrome deal was not known and raises questions.
- stbenjam 4y ago
  Chrome on iOS is just safari with a chrome wrapper, like every other browser on iOS. It doesn’t surprise me that the revenue deal works for all browsers because they’re all using Safari under the hood…
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    Why? The money comes from being default search engine in the default browser. If a user goes out of their way to use chrome… they we’re probably going to switch to Google search. My only guess is that apple was gunna force all browser apps to respect default search engine settings unless Google paid the money.
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- CharlesW 4y ago
  > Even more specifically this is a report that they pay a cut of advertising revenue for searches performed via Chrome on iOS, as in not Safari. TFA claims that in section 5.118, Google pays a cut for people using Safari as well. "Under these agreements, Apple receives a significant share of revenue from Google Search traffic on Safari and [x] on iOS devices."
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kornhole 4y ago
The ostensible agreement is just to be the default search engine. Estimates this year for pay out is ~$20B. Now that we know that it is also based on actual searches, we are safe to assume they are passing other data too.