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Carter blessed the re-election of Hugo Chavez as “free and fair” when he should have known better. Carter was ultimately a flawed man more beholden to leftism t

Carter blessed the re-election of Hugo Chavez as “free and fair” when he should have known better. Carter was ultimately a flawed man more beholden to leftism than to to truth. He was complicit in the total destruction of a country and that’s what he should be remembered for.

HL33tibCe7 4y ago
Just a heads up — you live in an echo chamber
- sfgoodforonce 4y ago
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  - elbigbad 4y ago
    I am not the person to whom you’re responding, but I feel compelled to say that I would very much recommend you broaden whatever literature or media you consume. Your statements are really at odds with a more nuanced reality. I don’t think having a second opinion will help much, but I don’t think it could hurt necessarily.
- ETH_start 4y ago
  I don't think you realize how utterly disastrous Chavez was for Venezuela. Maybe consider taking your own advice. Chavez' officials, like Venezuela's own Elizabeth Warren, Karlin Granadillo, claimed "the law of supply and demand is a lie", and her socialist party nodded in unison to this ideological rhetoric: https://web.archive.org/web/20201112003937/http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-11-25/chavez-price-caps-spark-panic-buying-of-coffee-toilet-paper https://web.archive.org/web/20201112003937/http://www.bloomb... Only an echo chamber can allow this kind of economic illiteracy to proliferate.
asveikau 4y ago
This is off topic for a thread about a dying man. But I'll bite. There's lots of legit criticism of Chavez. However, democracy is not one. He was popular. I believe his elections were legit. I also think it's a mistake to mix up Chavismo with the US right/left axis. Venezuela is not an extension of the United States. You can get into trouble when you mix up American political contrasts and inject them into places that work very differently. Chavez did not have anything in common with US democrats.
- sfgoodforonce 4y ago
  He was much worse. An actual communist who closed down and locked up opposition media.
  - asveikau 4y ago
    I don't think you can say he was in favor of communism, he was ultimately in favor of Chavez. That may have something to do with the fact that it's called "chavismo" and not "communism". He did seize private oil companies for the state. He had a lot of propaganda with his TV program and whatnot, and bullying and demonizing opponents. But he was popularly elected. I think even your short sentence above is an exaggeration. (This is not my first consideration of the man. I've listened to him in his original Spanish.)

HL33tibCe7 4y ago

Just a heads up — you live in an echo chamber

sfgoodforonce 4y ago
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- elbigbad 4y ago
  I am not the person to whom you’re responding, but I feel compelled to say that I would very much recommend you broaden whatever literature or media you consume. Your statements are really at odds with a more nuanced reality. I don’t think having a second opinion will help much, but I don’t think it could hurt necessarily.
ETH_start 4y ago
I don't think you realize how utterly disastrous Chavez was for Venezuela. Maybe consider taking your own advice. Chavez' officials, like Venezuela's own Elizabeth Warren, Karlin Granadillo, claimed "the law of supply and demand is a lie", and her socialist party nodded in unison to this ideological rhetoric: https://web.archive.org/web/20201112003937/http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-11-25/chavez-price-caps-spark-panic-buying-of-coffee-toilet-paper https://web.archive.org/web/20201112003937/http://www.bloomb... Only an echo chamber can allow this kind of economic illiteracy to proliferate.

asveikau 4y ago

This is off topic for a thread about a dying man. But I'll bite. There's lots of legit criticism of Chavez. However, democracy is not one. He was popular. I believe his elections were legit. I also think it's a mistake to mix up Chavismo with the US right/left axis. Venezuela is not an extension of the United States. You can get into trouble when you mix up American political contrasts and inject them into places that work very differently. Chavez did not have anything in common with US democrats.

sfgoodforonce 4y ago
He was much worse. An actual communist who closed down and locked up opposition media.
- asveikau 4y ago
  I don't think you can say he was in favor of communism, he was ultimately in favor of Chavez. That may have something to do with the fact that it's called "chavismo" and not "communism". He did seize private oil companies for the state. He had a lot of propaganda with his TV program and whatnot, and bullying and demonizing opponents. But he was popularly elected. I think even your short sentence above is an exaggeration. (This is not my first consideration of the man. I've listened to him in his original Spanish.)