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He funded and armed the Mujahideen in Operation Cyclone though - which has literally caused endless trouble with the rise of radical Islam. So it wasn't all "wo

He funded and armed the Mujahideen in Operation Cyclone though - which has literally caused endless trouble with the rise of radical Islam. So it wasn't all "world peace".

wkat4242 4y ago
True, but this is something that could have gone both ways. It could easily have led to an enlightened movement as well. At he time the Mudjahedeen were very much in the "good guys" book.
- rtkwe 4y ago
  How much of that was the US's Cold War classic evaluation where Anti-Communist seems to vastly dominate any other consideration in the decision of who to back? Just look at the dictators and death squads we actively trained here in South and Central America.
- Dudeman112 4y ago
  >At he time the Mudjahedeen were very much in the "good guys" book At the time the dictatorship back home was also very much in the "good guys" book according to the USA Starting to think they are just shit a selecting who to put in that book Fuck Operation Condor
- ponzimechanic 4y ago
  No. Zbigniew Brzezinski said in a French magazine interview that they purposely baited the Soviets into invading Afghanistan to give them their own Vietnam. In the late 90s, Zbigniew said that it was worth Al Qaeda’s rise by saying something like it was better to end the Soviet Union than to have a few pissed off Muslim terrorists. Of course, Zbigniew’s partner David Rockefeller was accused of propping up Carter as the Trilateral’s candidate. There’s derisive articles about it in the NY Times.
  - calgarymicro 4y ago
    Worth noting that Brzezinski repeatedly denied making that quote, and the author admitted to fabricating parts of the article.
    - ponzimechanic 4y ago
      Interesting, I didn’t know that. But worth pointing out that he seemingly referenced it when he said a few angry terrorists was worth the price of helping bankrupt the Soviet Union.
0xDEF 4y ago
This is a rather wrong view on who exactly the West supported in Afghanistan. The Mujahideens the West supported became the Northern Alliance. The NA allowed girls to go to school. The NA was also allied with Iran and didn't persecute the Shia population of Afghanistan. Unfortunately the NA lost the later Afghan civil war to the Saudi/Pakistan backed Taliban. Also the rise of radical Islam has more to do with Arab countries and Israel than a Central Asian country that is culturally and geopolitically more connected to India than the Middle East.
- yyyk 4y ago
  >Also the rise of radical Islam has more to do with Arab countries and Israel Not in that area of the world. The Deobandi school is an indigenous South-West Asian school, a radical version of that was wed to a Pakistan going off the rails under Zia and we see the results today. It is a parallel to the Saudi-radical Wahhabi convergence of the time, but still an entirely local development.
jki275 4y ago
Que? The Mujahideen are NOT responsible for the rise of radical Islam. The Mujahideen have fought WITH the US since they were formed, and against Russia, the Taliban and Al Qaeda and other radical influences in Afghanistan, as they are continuing to do to this day.

He funded and armed the Mujahideen in Operation Cyclone though - which has literally caused endless trouble with the rise of radical Islam. So it wasn't all "world peace".

wkat4242 4y ago

True, but this is something that could have gone both ways. It could easily have led to an enlightened movement as well. At he time the Mudjahedeen were very much in the "good guys" book.

rtkwe 4y ago
How much of that was the US's Cold War classic evaluation where Anti-Communist seems to vastly dominate any other consideration in the decision of who to back? Just look at the dictators and death squads we actively trained here in South and Central America.
Dudeman112 4y ago
>At he time the Mudjahedeen were very much in the "good guys" book At the time the dictatorship back home was also very much in the "good guys" book according to the USA Starting to think they are just shit a selecting who to put in that book Fuck Operation Condor
ponzimechanic 4y ago
No. Zbigniew Brzezinski said in a French magazine interview that they purposely baited the Soviets into invading Afghanistan to give them their own Vietnam. In the late 90s, Zbigniew said that it was worth Al Qaeda’s rise by saying something like it was better to end the Soviet Union than to have a few pissed off Muslim terrorists. Of course, Zbigniew’s partner David Rockefeller was accused of propping up Carter as the Trilateral’s candidate. There’s derisive articles about it in the NY Times.
- calgarymicro 4y ago
  Worth noting that Brzezinski repeatedly denied making that quote, and the author admitted to fabricating parts of the article.
  - ponzimechanic 4y ago
    Interesting, I didn’t know that. But worth pointing out that he seemingly referenced it when he said a few angry terrorists was worth the price of helping bankrupt the Soviet Union.

0xDEF 4y ago

This is a rather wrong view on who exactly the West supported in Afghanistan. The Mujahideens the West supported became the Northern Alliance. The NA allowed girls to go to school. The NA was also allied with Iran and didn't persecute the Shia population of Afghanistan. Unfortunately the NA lost the later Afghan civil war to the Saudi/Pakistan backed Taliban. Also the rise of radical Islam has more to do with Arab countries and Israel than a Central Asian country that is culturally and geopolitically more connected to India than the Middle East.

yyyk 4y ago
>Also the rise of radical Islam has more to do with Arab countries and Israel Not in that area of the world. The Deobandi school is an indigenous South-West Asian school, a radical version of that was wed to a Pakistan going off the rails under Zia and we see the results today. It is a parallel to the Saudi-radical Wahhabi convergence of the time, but still an entirely local development.

jki275 4y ago

Que? The Mujahideen are NOT responsible for the rise of radical Islam. The Mujahideen have fought WITH the US since they were formed, and against Russia, the Taliban and Al Qaeda and other radical influences in Afghanistan, as they are continuing to do to this day.