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The problem, or a problem, is us. We overlook lies of certain forms, almost without thinking. For example, look at the claims that the Genentech internal revie
by wolverine876 4y ago
The problem, or a problem, is us. We overlook lies of certain forms, almost without thinking.
For example, look at the claims that the Genentech internal review was routine. I don't believe it at all; I read it as 'we believe this claim will stand because you can't prove otherwise'. That is not honesty at all, but a normalized protocol for lying. I'll bet you didn't think twice about the integrity of doing that.
But my key point is that, if that claim is disproven, what is the result? Do we say Genentech and the individuals making these claims are liars, and not to be trusted? Are they shamed and shunned, their reputations damaged? No, we've normalized accepting these lies; it will just be viewed as losing a game, as the normal result of the protocol - it was disproven so the claim falls. Honesty is not implicated.
We are lied to because we accept it, we normalize it, we don't even notice it.
- jjtheblunt 4y ago> I'll bet you didn't think twice about the integrity of doing that. "You" however is "readers on HN" and they very very likely did think about the integrity. Your point stands, of course, that the sleight of hand/speech is an attempt to pull a fast on one readers in general.
- wolverine876 4y agoI don't find most HN commenters think critically about integrity or accuracy. IMHO, * Many follow the crowd in attacking whoever is the target, and sometimes that includes raising questions about integrity, etc. * Many attack the integrity, etc. of everything, which isn't thinking critically - it's the opposite.
- jjtheblunt 4y agoi've noticed that your observations are true increasingly often the last year or so, in contrast to years earlier on HN. it's very disappointing.