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Paying your competition not to compete, if only we had a government entity focused on limiting anticompetitive behavior.

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danielmarkbruce 4y ago
Except that in this case Apple is a distributor. This is a pretty normal distribution agreement. Apple isn't in the search engine business, so to say they are being paid to not compete is like saying Best Buy is being paid not to compete (ie, they don't produce computers) by Lenovo. Many distribution agreements have a clause saying the distributor can't create their own product and compete. The reason is, as a distributor, you get a lot of insight into the customers, the product, the pricing. It's completely reasonable when you consider the full value chain of a product. Further, if Apple did compete in the search engine business, many would claim they would be unfairly competing by using their dominant market position in smart phones to dominate another industry. Competition issues are complex.
robocat 4y ago
So many comments on this topic assume that Google is the bad guy: that Google suggested a payment for anticompetitive reasons. Alternatively, Apple could have forced Google to pay, as part of a money skimming exercise because Apple has Google by the balls so why not get a cut? Without more information, it is just picking sides to speculate that Google is the bad guy and Apple is the good guy.
- bengale 4y ago
  Or paying to acquire traffic is just a business arrangement and no one needs to be “the bad guy”.
roenxi 4y ago
We don't need a government regulator guaranteeing Google's profits. If Apple is in a position to dictate the defaults and Google wants them to make a certain choice, then Google should have to pay. Bringing in a regulator to control how Apple chooses the default search engine is a bad idea. We've seen similar attempts in the EU trying to break Internet Explorer and it turned out to be quite impotent compared to the march of Google Chrome. Regulators are ineffective at solving this sort of thing. Although it occurs to me that you might mean Apple should build their own search engine - which is a terrible idea. Google is really good at search engines and Apple wants their customers to have the best experience. Forcing Apple to build and promote an inferior search engine would be terrible for everyone.

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danielmarkbruce 4y ago

Except that in this case Apple is a distributor. This is a pretty normal distribution agreement. Apple isn't in the search engine business, so to say they are being paid to not compete is like saying Best Buy is being paid not to compete (ie, they don't produce computers) by Lenovo. Many distribution agreements have a clause saying the distributor can't create their own product and compete. The reason is, as a distributor, you get a lot of insight into the customers, the product, the pricing. It's completely reasonable when you consider the full value chain of a product. Further, if Apple did compete in the search engine business, many would claim they would be unfairly competing by using their dominant market position in smart phones to dominate another industry. Competition issues are complex.

robocat 4y ago

So many comments on this topic assume that Google is the bad guy: that Google suggested a payment for anticompetitive reasons. Alternatively, Apple could have forced Google to pay, as part of a money skimming exercise because Apple has Google by the balls so why not get a cut? Without more information, it is just picking sides to speculate that Google is the bad guy and Apple is the good guy.

bengale 4y ago
Or paying to acquire traffic is just a business arrangement and no one needs to be “the bad guy”.

roenxi 4y ago

We don't need a government regulator guaranteeing Google's profits. If Apple is in a position to dictate the defaults and Google wants them to make a certain choice, then Google should have to pay. Bringing in a regulator to control how Apple chooses the default search engine is a bad idea. We've seen similar attempts in the EU trying to break Internet Explorer and it turned out to be quite impotent compared to the march of Google Chrome. Regulators are ineffective at solving this sort of thing. Although it occurs to me that you might mean Apple should build their own search engine - which is a terrible idea. Google is really good at search engines and Apple wants their customers to have the best experience. Forcing Apple to build and promote an inferior search engine would be terrible for everyone.