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I don't think that relaxing work restrictions for 14-17 year olds is bad. At 14 I was capable and already doing many of the things that I was prohibited from d

I don't think that relaxing work restrictions for 14-17 year olds is bad. At 14 I was capable and already doing many of the things that I was prohibited from doing for money. I was also working at 14. About the only work allowed for a 14 year old is retail and custodial work. It would have been great to be allowed to get paid for more kinds of jobs.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
The DOL found 100 kids cleaning slaughterhouses across eight states. There will be harm and no accountability for someone else’s profits, just maimed kids with their future trajectory bent down. Fines will be paid as cost of business. Retail jobs or similar roles with a lower hazard rating? Sure, why not. But mining, construction, or processing facilities? Probably not. https://time.com/6256728/meatpacking-child-labor/ https://time.com/6256728/meatpacking-child-labor/ > More than 100 children—some as young as 13—were employed in hazardous jobs cleaning equipment like skull splitters, brisket saws, and bone cutters in meatpacking plants in eight states over the course of three years, the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) says. > Last November, DOL first accused PSSI of employing 30 minors, and a court granted the government a temporary restraining order to stop what a judge called “oppressive child labor.” Read the link, it’s too much to cite it all here, but it’s damning.
- breput 4y ago
  To be clear - and there is no easy way to say it - the proposed Iowa law allowing 14 year olds to work in meatpacking plants is not designed to allow the politician's children to work there. It is 100% designed as a gift to a major industry in the state to avoid fines[0] when they knowingly employee underage immigrants, primarily Hispanics from Central American, who are easily exploited both in pay and safety. "On top of that, Senate File 167 would also free businesses from civil liability if a teen gets sick, is injured or killed on the job due to the company's negligence or the teen's negligence. The businesses would only be liable for "gross negligence and willful misconduct"—a much more difficult thing to prove in court."[1] [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/02/17/child-labor-meatpacking-department-of-labor/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/02/17/child-lab... [1] https://www.newsweek.com/iowa-bill-relaxing-back-child-labor-laws-sparks-outrage-this-just-crazy-1779821 https://www.newsweek.com/iowa-bill-relaxing-back-child-labor...
- tastyfreeze 4y ago
  How many children were maimed?
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    Plenty are exploited. How many would have to be maimed before it’s a cause for concern? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34938733 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34938733
t-writescode 4y ago
Why should a child need to work?
- tastyfreeze 4y ago
  Because they want to. That is why I worked. Working is a great way to build skills while making a little scratch.
- ticviking 4y ago
  Why should young men and women be denied the independence and growth of making their own money, learning valuable skills, and being able to save for a car, or further training. I went to college after a summer doing day labor. I knew I was unwilling to do that work for those wages long. It also paid for much of my first year.

toomuchtodo 4y ago

The DOL found 100 kids cleaning slaughterhouses across eight states. There will be harm and no accountability for someone else’s profits, just maimed kids with their future trajectory bent down. Fines will be paid as cost of business. Retail jobs or similar roles with a lower hazard rating? Sure, why not. But mining, construction, or processing facilities? Probably not. https://time.com/6256728/meatpacking-child-labor/ https://time.com/6256728/meatpacking-child-labor/ > More than 100 children—some as young as 13—were employed in hazardous jobs cleaning equipment like skull splitters, brisket saws, and bone cutters in meatpacking plants in eight states over the course of three years, the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) says. > Last November, DOL first accused PSSI of employing 30 minors, and a court granted the government a temporary restraining order to stop what a judge called “oppressive child labor.” Read the link, it’s too much to cite it all here, but it’s damning.

breput 4y ago
To be clear - and there is no easy way to say it - the proposed Iowa law allowing 14 year olds to work in meatpacking plants is not designed to allow the politician's children to work there. It is 100% designed as a gift to a major industry in the state to avoid fines[0] when they knowingly employee underage immigrants, primarily Hispanics from Central American, who are easily exploited both in pay and safety. "On top of that, Senate File 167 would also free businesses from civil liability if a teen gets sick, is injured or killed on the job due to the company's negligence or the teen's negligence. The businesses would only be liable for "gross negligence and willful misconduct"—a much more difficult thing to prove in court."[1] [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/02/17/child-labor-meatpacking-department-of-labor/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/02/17/child-lab... [1] https://www.newsweek.com/iowa-bill-relaxing-back-child-labor-laws-sparks-outrage-this-just-crazy-1779821 https://www.newsweek.com/iowa-bill-relaxing-back-child-labor...
tastyfreeze 4y ago
How many children were maimed?
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  Plenty are exploited. How many would have to be maimed before it’s a cause for concern? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34938733 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34938733

t-writescode 4y ago

Why should a child need to work?

tastyfreeze 4y ago
Because they want to. That is why I worked. Working is a great way to build skills while making a little scratch.
ticviking 4y ago
Why should young men and women be denied the independence and growth of making their own money, learning valuable skills, and being able to save for a car, or further training. I went to college after a summer doing day labor. I knew I was unwilling to do that work for those wages long. It also paid for much of my first year.