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Agreed. There is no hard problem of consciousness, we are just biased. https://bower.sh/what-is-consciousness https://bower.sh/what-is-consciousness

by qudat 4y ago

prmph 4y ago
There absolutely is a hard problem of consciousness. One thought experiment I like to use to illustrate this: Imagine we accept that an AI is conscious, in the same way a human is. Now, what defines the AI? You might say the algorithm and the trained weights. Ok, so let’s say, in a similar way, we extract the relevant parameters from a human brain and use that to craft a new human. Are they the same person, or two? Do they experience the same consciousness? Would they share the same embodied experience? Could the one be dead and other alive? If so, what makes them have their own individuality? If your loved one died, and their brain was reconstructed from parameters stored while they were alive, would you accept that as a resurrection? Why or why not? Note that I offer no answer to the above questions. But trying to answer them is part of what the hard problem of consciousness is about.
- jvanderbot 4y ago
  Imagine we found all the connections, chemical weighting, and neuron structure that exactly reproduced ChatGPT in the forebrain. Is ChatGPT now a human? Absolutely not. But is it capable of human like speech? Yep. ChatGPT will probably say it is conscious if you tell it that it is (for various values of tell). Do we really know there's anything else going on with us? I don't. I think we're all stories told by learning machines mimicking culture we observe, compete with memes for soul, special creativity, etc. We vastly overestimate our intelligence and vastly underestimate the cumulative effects of million years of culture.
- pixl97 4y ago
  So lets make this an easier problem. You step in a Star Trek transporter. Scotty goes to beam you up but after a quick flash you are still there. But, they get notice that you were also delivered to the other side. There are two exact copies of you now. I would say at t=0 they are the exact same person that would think the exact same way if put in the same experiences. Of course physical existence will quickly skew from that point. For the case of the love one that died, I would argue 'they' are the same person from the moment they are stored. The particular problem here is there will be a massive skew in shared experience. You got to suffer their (presumably) traumatic death that has changed you. Them now coming back into existence into your trama will likely lead you to believe that they changed when it is you that has changed. Add to this the physical time jump where they were missing will cause the same things in all their other social interactions. Just imagine being kidnapped but being unconscious the entire time. The world will treat you differently when you get back even though you've not really changed.

Agreed. There is no hard problem of consciousness, we are just biased. https://bower.sh/what-is-consciousness https://bower.sh/what-is-consciousness

by qudat 4y ago

Agreed. There is no hard problem of consciousness, we are just biased. https://bower.sh/what-is-consciousness https://bower.sh/what-is-consciousness

prmph 4y ago

There absolutely is a hard problem of consciousness. One thought experiment I like to use to illustrate this: Imagine we accept that an AI is conscious, in the same way a human is. Now, what defines the AI? You might say the algorithm and the trained weights. Ok, so let’s say, in a similar way, we extract the relevant parameters from a human brain and use that to craft a new human. Are they the same person, or two? Do they experience the same consciousness? Would they share the same embodied experience? Could the one be dead and other alive? If so, what makes them have their own individuality? If your loved one died, and their brain was reconstructed from parameters stored while they were alive, would you accept that as a resurrection? Why or why not? Note that I offer no answer to the above questions. But trying to answer them is part of what the hard problem of consciousness is about.

jvanderbot 4y ago
Imagine we found all the connections, chemical weighting, and neuron structure that exactly reproduced ChatGPT in the forebrain. Is ChatGPT now a human? Absolutely not. But is it capable of human like speech? Yep. ChatGPT will probably say it is conscious if you tell it that it is (for various values of tell). Do we really know there's anything else going on with us? I don't. I think we're all stories told by learning machines mimicking culture we observe, compete with memes for soul, special creativity, etc. We vastly overestimate our intelligence and vastly underestimate the cumulative effects of million years of culture.
pixl97 4y ago
So lets make this an easier problem. You step in a Star Trek transporter. Scotty goes to beam you up but after a quick flash you are still there. But, they get notice that you were also delivered to the other side. There are two exact copies of you now. I would say at t=0 they are the exact same person that would think the exact same way if put in the same experiences. Of course physical existence will quickly skew from that point. For the case of the love one that died, I would argue 'they' are the same person from the moment they are stored. The particular problem here is there will be a massive skew in shared experience. You got to suffer their (presumably) traumatic death that has changed you. Them now coming back into existence into your trama will likely lead you to believe that they changed when it is you that has changed. Add to this the physical time jump where they were missing will cause the same things in all their other social interactions. Just imagine being kidnapped but being unconscious the entire time. The world will treat you differently when you get back even though you've not really changed.