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>I have a son and I caught him and friends gravitating to Andrew Tate like content. He's so young, and he already feels that society is hostile against him. So

>I have a son and I caught him and friends gravitating to Andrew Tate like content. He's so young, and he already feels that society is hostile against him. Society is hostile against him. Anti-male prejudice is absolutely everywhere. Andrew Tate is a get-rich-quick grifter and possibly a criminal, but he’s right about some things.

stuckinhell 4y ago
Maybe but his family isn't. I'm trying my best to protect him, which is why it was so shocking when I checked his internet usage.
- sfgoodforonce 4y ago
  The most you can do to protect him is the same that people do in hostile regimes throughout the ages: make sure that by a certain age he understands that there’s a difference between what’s actually right and wrong and what the powers that be expect him to adhere to. It’s okay to make a stand but only if you’re very sure that the upside is worth the costs. The people blasting anti-feminist content under their real identity, to no personal or societal gain, are idiots.
  - kneel 4y ago
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    - sfgoodforonce 4y ago
      Happy to be at your service.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  Are you a single mother? If so perhaps he is just looking for a male role model that tells him he is valued as a man and that its ok to be strong? Sometimes kids look for a stereotypically male role model. Someone that represents strength. I'm not defending all the bile that Tate puts out but dude is a well known figure that advocates for men to be manly. On the other hand, maybe he was just checking him out due to curiosity.
  - stuckinhell 4y ago
    Happily Married. His father/ My husband and I do our best to spend time with him, take him to little league, etc. We tightly control television time, monitor internet usage, and videogames, but I doubt it will ever be enough. Anyone with little kids knows, they absorb social messaging about gender roles, rank and hierarchy like sponges. Andrew Tate seems wildly popular on discord, tiktok, roblox, minecraft, and youtube comments right now. I think you are right, my son and his friends are looking for someone to teach them to be strong "manly" men. I don't think we've been teaching him how to physically and mentally strong. We've been pushing things more in line with our tech careers ... Thank you for your comment. It's really given me something to think about.
- fidgewidge 4y ago
  Protect him from what, exactly?
  - stuckinhell 4y ago
    People who aren't looking out for his best interests or use him as fodder for their various agendas. Some people on hackernews think I need to educate my son on being guilty for being born male. Some men like Andrew Tate would just grift off of him. Some women on twitch would try to leech money from him. I want to protect him from all the things that would destroy him.
SapporoChris 4y ago
https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-gap/ https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-ga... Yes, the anti-male prejudice is just awful. /s
- sidlls 4y ago
  It can be true that entrenched systems favor males in some areas, and new social and cultural phenomena disfavor them in others at the same time. My wife has made the observation that there seems to be so much more media, events, toys, etc., targeted at girls in a positive way than for boys. We have two boys, and she has been quite the feminist in the time I’ve known her. As a guy I tend to err on the side of being skeptical of my own initial reactions to women who remark about the sexism rampant in our society. So when she brought this up it certainly carried more weight.
  - SapporoChris 4y ago
    The pay scales seem to indicate that we are pretty damn far from having a general problem with anti-male prejudice. Media events targeted to girls, like the super bowl, Mardi Gras, military conflicts, just naming a few. Sorry, I'm missing it. What media events favored women.
    - ascar 4y ago
      > The pay scales seem to indicate that we are pretty damn far from having a general problem with anti-male prejudice No they don't indicate that at all. Equal pay day is in fact anti-male propaganda. It's the opposite of meritocracy to expect people to earn the same regardless of career and life choices and that's exactly what the equal pay day would require. The controlled pay gap is at 1% (based on the same source you linked).
    - sidlls 4y ago
      I seem not to have communicated my point clearly: inequity in one direction can exist in some areas (e.g., payscales) and in the other in other areas (e.g., social validation in the form of the availability of positive media, toys, and events such as birthday parties, etc.). So, yes, payscale inequality is a thing. That doesn't mean we haven't "overcorrected" in the opposite direction in other areas.

stuckinhell 4y ago

Maybe but his family isn't. I'm trying my best to protect him, which is why it was so shocking when I checked his internet usage.

sfgoodforonce 4y ago
The most you can do to protect him is the same that people do in hostile regimes throughout the ages: make sure that by a certain age he understands that there’s a difference between what’s actually right and wrong and what the powers that be expect him to adhere to. It’s okay to make a stand but only if you’re very sure that the upside is worth the costs. The people blasting anti-feminist content under their real identity, to no personal or societal gain, are idiots.
- kneel 4y ago
  [flagged]
  - sfgoodforonce 4y ago
    Happy to be at your service.
wonderwonder 4y ago
Are you a single mother? If so perhaps he is just looking for a male role model that tells him he is valued as a man and that its ok to be strong? Sometimes kids look for a stereotypically male role model. Someone that represents strength. I'm not defending all the bile that Tate puts out but dude is a well known figure that advocates for men to be manly. On the other hand, maybe he was just checking him out due to curiosity.
- stuckinhell 4y ago
  Happily Married. His father/ My husband and I do our best to spend time with him, take him to little league, etc. We tightly control television time, monitor internet usage, and videogames, but I doubt it will ever be enough. Anyone with little kids knows, they absorb social messaging about gender roles, rank and hierarchy like sponges. Andrew Tate seems wildly popular on discord, tiktok, roblox, minecraft, and youtube comments right now. I think you are right, my son and his friends are looking for someone to teach them to be strong "manly" men. I don't think we've been teaching him how to physically and mentally strong. We've been pushing things more in line with our tech careers ... Thank you for your comment. It's really given me something to think about.
fidgewidge 4y ago
Protect him from what, exactly?
- stuckinhell 4y ago
  People who aren't looking out for his best interests or use him as fodder for their various agendas. Some people on hackernews think I need to educate my son on being guilty for being born male. Some men like Andrew Tate would just grift off of him. Some women on twitch would try to leech money from him. I want to protect him from all the things that would destroy him.

SapporoChris 4y ago

https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-gap/ https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-ga... Yes, the anti-male prejudice is just awful. /s

sidlls 4y ago
It can be true that entrenched systems favor males in some areas, and new social and cultural phenomena disfavor them in others at the same time. My wife has made the observation that there seems to be so much more media, events, toys, etc., targeted at girls in a positive way than for boys. We have two boys, and she has been quite the feminist in the time I’ve known her. As a guy I tend to err on the side of being skeptical of my own initial reactions to women who remark about the sexism rampant in our society. So when she brought this up it certainly carried more weight.
- SapporoChris 4y ago
  The pay scales seem to indicate that we are pretty damn far from having a general problem with anti-male prejudice. Media events targeted to girls, like the super bowl, Mardi Gras, military conflicts, just naming a few. Sorry, I'm missing it. What media events favored women.
  - ascar 4y ago
    > The pay scales seem to indicate that we are pretty damn far from having a general problem with anti-male prejudice No they don't indicate that at all. Equal pay day is in fact anti-male propaganda. It's the opposite of meritocracy to expect people to earn the same regardless of career and life choices and that's exactly what the equal pay day would require. The controlled pay gap is at 1% (based on the same source you linked).
  - sidlls 4y ago
    I seem not to have communicated my point clearly: inequity in one direction can exist in some areas (e.g., payscales) and in the other in other areas (e.g., social validation in the form of the availability of positive media, toys, and events such as birthday parties, etc.). So, yes, payscale inequality is a thing. That doesn't mean we haven't "overcorrected" in the opposite direction in other areas.