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> So what do you all think? Is clean code really actually valuable in the eyes of organizations or will they always take the quicker and dirtier option given th
by 908B64B197 4y ago
> So what do you all think? Is clean code really actually valuable in the eyes of organizations or will they always take the quicker and dirtier option given the choice? Will I ever find work selling code cleaning (even to companies that ask for it) or should I “rebrand” on fast and cheap code at the expense of quality?
There's many sides to this.
Even Boeing doesn't value clean code (as shown by the 737 MAX disaster where 9$/h coders were hired in India). So you can imagine how much a local non-tech company values clean code.
There's also that a lot of these companies simply... couldn't recognize clean code even if they saw it! Since they aren't competitive with top players, the caliber of programmers they attract is nowhere near the level of engineers at real tech companies. Unless these companies "luck out" with an extremely high caliber hire, they won't really know there's a better way of doing things [0]. Think places where source control is still seen as too complicated or not needed.
[0] https://www.hanselman.com/blog/dark-matter-developers-the-unseen-99 https://www.hanselman.com/blog/dark-matter-developers-the-un...
- prasooncc 4y agoIt would be prudent to include some data to substantiate your insinuation that some non white non European programmers did the Boeing MCAS code. The 9$ per hour wage maybe less than that of a burger flipper in the USA, but the cost of living is vastly different.Being an engineer , if you are ignoring this significant parameter then we definitely know one source of the issue .Maybe you are not an engineer but a fine arts major who “learned” coding by yourself.
- 908B64B197 4y ago> It would be prudent to include some data to substantiate your insinuation [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-outsourced-737-max-report-2019-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-outsourced-737-max-re... [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-...
- prasooncc 4y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20353342#20355864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20353342#20355864 . Hope this link works . This discussion was 2 years ago. Still my word holds good . Boeing management didn’t give crap about engineers opinion be it 30$ per hour or 5$ per hour.
- 908B64B197 4y agoBoeing asserted that no "critical flight software" was outsourced, but it specifically didn't label the MCAS as "critical flight software" when describing it to the FAA. What we know was outsourced is "flight test software" which sounds a lot like something that should have caught the 737 MAX failure...