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> FSharp is also great but I don't want to baggage of .NET for my applications. What baggage?

by GiorgioG 4y ago

gostsamo 4y ago
Maybe the .net runtime?
- deleted 4y ago
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- hu3 4y ago
  .NET has AOT now: > Publishing your app as native AOT produces an app that is self-contained and that has been ahead-of-time (AOT) compiled to native code. Native AOT apps start up very quickly and use less memory. Users of the application can run it on a machine that doesn't have the .NET runtime installed. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/deploying/native-aot/ https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/deploying/nati...
  - andai 4y ago
    I read an interesting comment about that yesterday, describing the different options. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34839860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34839860
  - pyjarrett 4y ago
    I've been doing this a lot. I am doing an experiment of trying out C# as a Python replacement for automation because of (1) the strength of the built-in libraries and (2) not requiring an interpreter. Bundling the C# runtime into application is doable, and the tools are super portable with no changes so far between Windows/Mac/Linux. However, the smallest I've been able to get the standalone executables with bundled stripped down runtimes is ~9 MiB. Even with this limitation, I've been super happy with this experiment so far. I'm not sure how committed I am yet to C# over Python, but it's pretty breathtaking what all you get out of the box with .NET
    - saila 4y ago
      Coming from a mostly-Python background myself, I'm curious if you've looked into F# for this. It's succinct like Python, gives you type safety, and you can use .NET libraries.
      - pyjarrett 4y ago
        I've thought about it, but I spent a lot of time going down the rabbit hole with functional languages with Haskell a few years ago and was just checking out the .NET ecosystem as a whole since I wasn't familiar with C#. The experiment was "How productive and portable is .NET Core?" knowing that F# is there as a possibility. I dabbled in the tangentially similar OCaml a long time ago, but had wanted to just move fast to answer "Is .NET is a reasonable technical choice for cross-platform tooling I need?" So far it's been a pretty solid "Yes."
  - Diris 4y ago
    F# doesn't, though. https://github.com/dotnet/fsharp/issues/13398 https://github.com/dotnet/fsharp/issues/13398
  - banashark 4y ago
    Are you using .NET AOT? It's supposedly been possible for quite a while, but every time I talk to someone (granted only a few people who would actually want to use and benefit from it in their software) about it they say "it's missing X" or something of the sort that makes it a total non-starter.

> FSharp is also great but I don't want to baggage of .NET for my applications. What baggage?

gostsamo 4y ago

Maybe the .net runtime?

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hu3 4y ago
.NET has AOT now: > Publishing your app as native AOT produces an app that is self-contained and that has been ahead-of-time (AOT) compiled to native code. Native AOT apps start up very quickly and use less memory. Users of the application can run it on a machine that doesn't have the .NET runtime installed. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/deploying/native-aot/ https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/deploying/nati...
- andai 4y ago
  I read an interesting comment about that yesterday, describing the different options. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34839860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34839860
- pyjarrett 4y ago
  I've been doing this a lot. I am doing an experiment of trying out C# as a Python replacement for automation because of (1) the strength of the built-in libraries and (2) not requiring an interpreter. Bundling the C# runtime into application is doable, and the tools are super portable with no changes so far between Windows/Mac/Linux. However, the smallest I've been able to get the standalone executables with bundled stripped down runtimes is ~9 MiB. Even with this limitation, I've been super happy with this experiment so far. I'm not sure how committed I am yet to C# over Python, but it's pretty breathtaking what all you get out of the box with .NET
  - saila 4y ago
    Coming from a mostly-Python background myself, I'm curious if you've looked into F# for this. It's succinct like Python, gives you type safety, and you can use .NET libraries.
    - pyjarrett 4y ago
      I've thought about it, but I spent a lot of time going down the rabbit hole with functional languages with Haskell a few years ago and was just checking out the .NET ecosystem as a whole since I wasn't familiar with C#. The experiment was "How productive and portable is .NET Core?" knowing that F# is there as a possibility. I dabbled in the tangentially similar OCaml a long time ago, but had wanted to just move fast to answer "Is .NET is a reasonable technical choice for cross-platform tooling I need?" So far it's been a pretty solid "Yes."
- Diris 4y ago
  F# doesn't, though. https://github.com/dotnet/fsharp/issues/13398 https://github.com/dotnet/fsharp/issues/13398
- banashark 4y ago
  Are you using .NET AOT? It's supposedly been possible for quite a while, but every time I talk to someone (granted only a few people who would actually want to use and benefit from it in their software) about it they say "it's missing X" or something of the sort that makes it a total non-starter.