5 ms·

>It feels to me that providing your print to begin with without coercion fulfills consent. I understand that the need to keep one’s job can be seen as coercion

>It feels to me that providing your print to begin with without coercion fulfills consent. I understand that the need to keep one’s job can be seen as coercion but I am confident the percentage of employees that actually objected at the time was negligible. This comes across as a pretty privileged take. For many fast-food workers, a few things are true: * They have no money or other job opportunities * They have a legal requirement to work (parole, child support, rehab) * The local franchise operator is influential and owns multiple franchises * Already owed pay (and already spent pay) are locked behind these barriers * The average fast food worker doesn't have education or resources to challenge them It absolutely is coercion, and another arm of corporatism.

donatj 4y ago
This is like the infantilization checklist. Have I got news for you, poor people are people. They’re not the hapless imbeciles you make them out to be, they are just as capable as you and I, and they have just as much access to information as you and I. We live in a literal world of plenty for unskilled jobs. They exist everywhere and they are screaming for workers. We literally don’t have enough unskilled workers to fulfill the need. If you can work fast food you can work in a shop, you can deliver packages. The person who HAS TO work at White Castle or they die simply does not exist. Figment of the imagination.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
  << They exist everywhere and they are screaming for workers. Eh. I don't really want to make it sound that way, but, well, if they are screaming, they are screaming for cheap workers. << This is like the infantilization checklist. Can you elaborate a little? It is possible that I am misunderstanding your point.
  - mixmastamyk 4y ago
    The shortage of worker pay in favor of fatcats is on going.
- COGlory 4y ago
  Way to double down on your biases. I assure you these people do exist. Work in a shop? What shop doesn't require skills? Deliver packages? Usually need a drivers license, no criminal background. Not everywhere is San Francisco. When you get to rural IL, there's not endless jobs. There's hardly any. Many people working fast food need the flexible schedule, or can't speak English well, or any other of a multitude of other reasons. Also, the complaint is from 2008, not this temporary strange job market that has recently developed. If what you say is true, and it's so easy to find gainful employment elsewhere, why is anyone working at these places to begin with?
- wpietri 4y ago
  > We live in a literal world of plenty for unskilled jobs. Oh? When's the last time you worked a minimum wage job? > you make them out to be That is false. The only one making a claim of "hapless imbeciles" here is you.
  - aardvarkr 4y ago
    He’s right, you’re infantilizing then and removing any agency on their behalf. I’ve worked minimum wage jobs and around unskilled labor for half my life and I guarantee you that they’re people too and can make their own decisions.
    - wpietri 4y ago
      One, I'm not even the person who made those claims. Two, I have also worked minimum wage jobs and believe that I too am a person with agency. And three, noting that people have different levels of privilege is not denying them humanity or agency. Indeed, privilege-based analysis is often used to get recognized as human groups that are often treated as less than that.

donatj 4y ago

This is like the infantilization checklist. Have I got news for you, poor people are people. They’re not the hapless imbeciles you make them out to be, they are just as capable as you and I, and they have just as much access to information as you and I. We live in a literal world of plenty for unskilled jobs. They exist everywhere and they are screaming for workers. We literally don’t have enough unskilled workers to fulfill the need. If you can work fast food you can work in a shop, you can deliver packages. The person who HAS TO work at White Castle or they die simply does not exist. Figment of the imagination.

A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
<< They exist everywhere and they are screaming for workers. Eh. I don't really want to make it sound that way, but, well, if they are screaming, they are screaming for cheap workers. << This is like the infantilization checklist. Can you elaborate a little? It is possible that I am misunderstanding your point.
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  The shortage of worker pay in favor of fatcats is on going.
COGlory 4y ago
Way to double down on your biases. I assure you these people do exist. Work in a shop? What shop doesn't require skills? Deliver packages? Usually need a drivers license, no criminal background. Not everywhere is San Francisco. When you get to rural IL, there's not endless jobs. There's hardly any. Many people working fast food need the flexible schedule, or can't speak English well, or any other of a multitude of other reasons. Also, the complaint is from 2008, not this temporary strange job market that has recently developed. If what you say is true, and it's so easy to find gainful employment elsewhere, why is anyone working at these places to begin with?
wpietri 4y ago
> We live in a literal world of plenty for unskilled jobs. Oh? When's the last time you worked a minimum wage job? > you make them out to be That is false. The only one making a claim of "hapless imbeciles" here is you.
- aardvarkr 4y ago
  He’s right, you’re infantilizing then and removing any agency on their behalf. I’ve worked minimum wage jobs and around unskilled labor for half my life and I guarantee you that they’re people too and can make their own decisions.
  - wpietri 4y ago
    One, I'm not even the person who made those claims. Two, I have also worked minimum wage jobs and believe that I too am a person with agency. And three, noting that people have different levels of privilege is not denying them humanity or agency. Indeed, privilege-based analysis is often used to get recognized as human groups that are often treated as less than that.