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I'm 7 years into fully remote, and will not work for a company that does even hybrid teams. You just need to work somewhere that sees the world as you see it in

by vasco 4y ago

I'm 7 years into fully remote, and will not work for a company that does even hybrid teams. You just need to work somewhere that sees the world as you see it instead of trying to understand any meaning behind megacorp decisions.

sussexby 4y ago
I’m nearly 7 years into hybrid/remote and am seeking opportunity to rejoin a proper collaborative working environment that’s physical, not virtual. However, what’s right for me isn’t right for you and enforcing a rule one way or another does not work so I agree with your point. Megacorps need to understand that we humans have a range of preferences and, if we’re to assume some prefer remote and some prefer office, then making a big decision as Amazon has will alienate a decent amount of workers. Cue calamity.
- throwaway426079 4y ago
  " a proper collaborative working environment that’s physical, not virtual." If you believe that only physical environments can be properly collaborative then you invalidate the remainder of your post.
  - JackFr 4y ago
    The parent never claims that only a physical environment can be properly collaborative. Literally the next sentence after the one you quote is “what’s right for isn't right for you”.
    - throwaway426079 4y ago
      It reads exactly that way.
  - sussexby 4y ago
    I’m stating that I’m after an environment that’s physical, not virtual. I’m not saying that only physical environments have those qualities - I’m saying through my experience I work better, feel better, and contribute better when I can communicate in a physical space and not a virtual one. Again, as I say, whatever is right for the individual. If virtual works for you, that’s great, but I’m consciously stepping out of remote work as I really struggle with it.
    - mulmen 4y ago
      Collaboration isn’t a personal preference. By definition it requires at least one other party. In person collaboration is far more expensive in terms of real estate, time, and cognitive load. People who can work remotely effectively should be at an economic and productivity advantage.
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    Even if they did claim that they are more than welcome to that opinion
- mFixman 4y ago
  That would make sense if closed offices became common again. It's impossible to collaborate in an open office. It's hard to talk to my team if that requires yelling louder than the other 200 people in the floor.
  - apple4ever 4y ago
    Exactly. Offices would be so much easier to work in if everyone had an office. It boggles my mind that open offices are so desired by management.
    - Lacerda69 4y ago
      They are magnitudes cheaper i would imagine.
      - mFixman 4y ago
        There's a nice middle point that Google used in 2012 with one office per ~10 person team team. The offices are big enough to not be _too_ expensive, and small enough to enhance collaboration and concentration.
anothernewdude 4y ago
Exactly. Hybrid teams just makes some employees second class.
- postalrat 4y ago
  Why is that?
legutierr 4y ago
> You just need to work somewhere that sees the world as you see it instead of trying to understand any meaning behind megacorp decisions. This is a great philosophy to have when your skills are in high demand. What do you say to the people who might have trouble finding a full-remote job that pays enough?
- vasco 4y ago
  My life philosophy aligns with my own life, my perceived abilities and the environment around me to make me happy. I don't think anyone is born and dreams about working remote doing engineering work in front of a computer for 8 hours a day. You end up doing a venn diagram of what you like with what the world offers and you decide what your values are. If my life philosophy would include sipping margaritas at the beach or spending my days with my friends outside building an off-grid community I'd be out of luck because I'm not rich and my friends are not rich either. Find a job that you like because you'll get good at it and your skills will be in high demand as well. Work hard and save enough every month to be able to walk away and into the company next door if your boss turns to shit. My grandpa passed this philosophy to me and he was a plumber from a remote village in Portugal. He'd tell me how he kept to his values and didn't work for anyone that didn't respect him. He didn't die rich but he was proud in his work. Find what that is for you. If people focused more on this instead of needing to place themselves on either side "get max salary" or "unionize the world" things would be way better.
- juve1996 4y ago
  Life is hard. You have to sacrifice somewhere. It's unfair. Our worker's rights have been further eroded. Megacorps dominate the space with no real competition insight. But I still believe in individual agency. There are things individuals can still do to make things better. I feel for the edge cases of people who don't have choice. But in general, people have more choice than they think.
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    It’s not unfair. 3 years ago no one would have pretended remote was a “right” and the reason people think workers rights have eroded is because they continue to pile on perks and nice to haves and pretend they’re rights.
mensetmanusman 4y ago
I’ve seen hours replaced by second in terms of communication speed ups by chatgpt. I’m sure that won’t show up on anyone’s productivity metric. Why? Because the calculation is biased by how atoms move, not information.
turdprincess 4y ago
Ive been in some "mixed" sessions lately where some are remote and some are in person and its the worst case scenario. I feel like a second class citizen when someone points a grainy laptop camera at a whiteboard they are drawing on. The second I can't grab a marker and contribute, I just lost my full ability to participate. Fully remote works great - there are plenty of awesome collaboration tools (Miro for example) where you can collaborate. Fully in-person obviously works as well. But with hybrid, someone always loses - either the folks in the room or the folks on the screen.

by vasco 4y ago

sussexby 4y ago

I’m nearly 7 years into hybrid/remote and am seeking opportunity to rejoin a proper collaborative working environment that’s physical, not virtual. However, what’s right for me isn’t right for you and enforcing a rule one way or another does not work so I agree with your point. Megacorps need to understand that we humans have a range of preferences and, if we’re to assume some prefer remote and some prefer office, then making a big decision as Amazon has will alienate a decent amount of workers. Cue calamity.

throwaway426079 4y ago
" a proper collaborative working environment that’s physical, not virtual." If you believe that only physical environments can be properly collaborative then you invalidate the remainder of your post.
- JackFr 4y ago
  The parent never claims that only a physical environment can be properly collaborative. Literally the next sentence after the one you quote is “what’s right for isn't right for you”.
  - throwaway426079 4y ago
    It reads exactly that way.
- sussexby 4y ago
  I’m stating that I’m after an environment that’s physical, not virtual. I’m not saying that only physical environments have those qualities - I’m saying through my experience I work better, feel better, and contribute better when I can communicate in a physical space and not a virtual one. Again, as I say, whatever is right for the individual. If virtual works for you, that’s great, but I’m consciously stepping out of remote work as I really struggle with it.
  - mulmen 4y ago
    Collaboration isn’t a personal preference. By definition it requires at least one other party. In person collaboration is far more expensive in terms of real estate, time, and cognitive load. People who can work remotely effectively should be at an economic and productivity advantage.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  Even if they did claim that they are more than welcome to that opinion
mFixman 4y ago
That would make sense if closed offices became common again. It's impossible to collaborate in an open office. It's hard to talk to my team if that requires yelling louder than the other 200 people in the floor.
- apple4ever 4y ago
  Exactly. Offices would be so much easier to work in if everyone had an office. It boggles my mind that open offices are so desired by management.
  - Lacerda69 4y ago
    They are magnitudes cheaper i would imagine.
    - mFixman 4y ago
      There's a nice middle point that Google used in 2012 with one office per ~10 person team team. The offices are big enough to not be _too_ expensive, and small enough to enhance collaboration and concentration.

anothernewdude 4y ago

Exactly. Hybrid teams just makes some employees second class.

postalrat 4y ago
Why is that?

legutierr 4y ago

> You just need to work somewhere that sees the world as you see it instead of trying to understand any meaning behind megacorp decisions. This is a great philosophy to have when your skills are in high demand. What do you say to the people who might have trouble finding a full-remote job that pays enough?

vasco 4y ago
My life philosophy aligns with my own life, my perceived abilities and the environment around me to make me happy. I don't think anyone is born and dreams about working remote doing engineering work in front of a computer for 8 hours a day. You end up doing a venn diagram of what you like with what the world offers and you decide what your values are. If my life philosophy would include sipping margaritas at the beach or spending my days with my friends outside building an off-grid community I'd be out of luck because I'm not rich and my friends are not rich either. Find a job that you like because you'll get good at it and your skills will be in high demand as well. Work hard and save enough every month to be able to walk away and into the company next door if your boss turns to shit. My grandpa passed this philosophy to me and he was a plumber from a remote village in Portugal. He'd tell me how he kept to his values and didn't work for anyone that didn't respect him. He didn't die rich but he was proud in his work. Find what that is for you. If people focused more on this instead of needing to place themselves on either side "get max salary" or "unionize the world" things would be way better.
juve1996 4y ago
Life is hard. You have to sacrifice somewhere. It's unfair. Our worker's rights have been further eroded. Megacorps dominate the space with no real competition insight. But I still believe in individual agency. There are things individuals can still do to make things better. I feel for the edge cases of people who don't have choice. But in general, people have more choice than they think.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  It’s not unfair. 3 years ago no one would have pretended remote was a “right” and the reason people think workers rights have eroded is because they continue to pile on perks and nice to haves and pretend they’re rights.

mensetmanusman 4y ago

I’ve seen hours replaced by second in terms of communication speed ups by chatgpt. I’m sure that won’t show up on anyone’s productivity metric. Why? Because the calculation is biased by how atoms move, not information.

turdprincess 4y ago

Ive been in some "mixed" sessions lately where some are remote and some are in person and its the worst case scenario. I feel like a second class citizen when someone points a grainy laptop camera at a whiteboard they are drawing on. The second I can't grab a marker and contribute, I just lost my full ability to participate. Fully remote works great - there are plenty of awesome collaboration tools (Miro for example) where you can collaborate. Fully in-person obviously works as well. But with hybrid, someone always loses - either the folks in the room or the folks on the screen.