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Yeah. This fits with my reading of it as well. Periodic chunks of "yep, makes sense" scattered through a really disturbing miasma of questionable stuff and inc

by Groxx 4y ago

Yeah. This fits with my reading of it as well. Periodic chunks of "yep, makes sense" scattered through a really disturbing miasma of questionable stuff and incredibly tightly bound methods sharing gigantic balls of state that must be called in an order, but with nothing that hints at or enforces that order. It adds up to a really horrific result pretty frequently. I'm not sure how it got its status at the beginning, but I think it retains it through sheer scale - it's a gigantic book for what it actually contains. It batters you with poorly connected ideas over and over and over until you can't tell right from wrong, and in the end you're just agreeing with whatever because doing otherwise gets you nowhere and nothing but pain as you try to read more. It's like a cult brainwashing ritual.

emodendroket 4y ago
It reminds me of the Elements of Style, which has for decades had a reputation as the book every English writer should read. In reality, it's a mix of obvious truisms ("omit needless words," gee, thanks, but how do I identify the needless ones?) and grammatical advice where the authors are so confused about the concepts that they constantly violate their own precepts. However, at least EB White was a talented author whose writing was beloved. Seems hard to say much complimentary about the sample code presented here.
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tgv 4y ago
I once stated a few of the author's criticisms in a forum, one of which was the 3 line function, only to get a reply from Martin himself, saying that he hadn't written that. Unfortunately for him, everybody reads it in the book, and his apostles repeat it, and it's part of his success.
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gs17 4y ago
I also found it to flip between "this is obvious advice" and "this is awful advice", and I think that's part of the issue. I've had multiple arguments with people where that natural motte-and-bailey led to "oh, you don't like Clean Code? so you think variables shouldn't have understandable names?"

by Groxx 4y ago

emodendroket 4y ago

It reminds me of the Elements of Style, which has for decades had a reputation as the book every English writer should read. In reality, it's a mix of obvious truisms ("omit needless words," gee, thanks, but how do I identify the needless ones?) and grammatical advice where the authors are so confused about the concepts that they constantly violate their own precepts. However, at least EB White was a talented author whose writing was beloved. Seems hard to say much complimentary about the sample code presented here.

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tgv 4y ago

I once stated a few of the author's criticisms in a forum, one of which was the 3 line function, only to get a reply from Martin himself, saying that he hadn't written that. Unfortunately for him, everybody reads it in the book, and his apostles repeat it, and it's part of his success.

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gs17 4y ago

I also found it to flip between "this is obvious advice" and "this is awful advice", and I think that's part of the issue. I've had multiple arguments with people where that natural motte-and-bailey led to "oh, you don't like Clean Code? so you think variables shouldn't have understandable names?"