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Yes, that's how it works. There's no outside impartial judge looking at arguments from both sides to declare who's wrong, there's no law saying being a hipocrit

Yes, that's how it works. There's no outside impartial judge looking at arguments from both sides to declare who's wrong, there's no law saying being a hipocritical and cynical are crimes. It's just people, relationships, employers and employees, and money.

laichzeit0 4y ago
Well imagine if you worked your way all the way up to Exec level and for the last few years all you could do was dress up in your expensive suites just to sit in front of a webcam. You’d also feel like a complete clown. You want people in the office so they can see you walking from meeting room to meeting room and hear the sound of your leather (not rubber) soled shoes as you traverse through the corridors of mere mortals. How else do you assert dominance? People need to _see_ that you’re important and that you matter.
- pm90 4y ago
  This rings true to me. Most people at those levels enjoy the “perks” of high status endowed by a job. It’s part of their identity.
  - bart_spoon 4y ago
    I remember a NYTimes article from the last year describing the culture clash between employees wanting to work remote, and management wanting to work in person. The most illustrative example was a CEO of a company in Seattle. When an employee said they appreciated WFH because the lack of commute gave them the time to take jiujitsu classes, the CEO told them they respected their interests, but they needed to consider if their future was in the UFC or working for the company. The same CEO, when asked about why he preferred working in the office, mentioned something about being more energized by the view from his office, and something about liking the fried chicken restaurant next to the building. It was a particularly egregious example, but I’m fairly certain this is almost entirely a matter of upper management simply personally preferring the in office lifestyle, in no small part due to the perks of upper management. But it’s hard to justify the glitzy downtown office building or corporate mega campus when they have a average occupancy rate if 20%, which seems to be the case when employees have a choice, and so they are trying to force their preference upon everyone else with made-up assurances about how much more productive everyone is in office.
pm90 4y ago
I mean yes rule by diktat if needed but at that point the kind of workers you need to thrive will start looking elsewhere. I guess that’s not an immediate consequence so nobody faces any penalty.

laichzeit0 4y ago

Well imagine if you worked your way all the way up to Exec level and for the last few years all you could do was dress up in your expensive suites just to sit in front of a webcam. You’d also feel like a complete clown. You want people in the office so they can see you walking from meeting room to meeting room and hear the sound of your leather (not rubber) soled shoes as you traverse through the corridors of mere mortals. How else do you assert dominance? People need to _see_ that you’re important and that you matter.

pm90 4y ago
This rings true to me. Most people at those levels enjoy the “perks” of high status endowed by a job. It’s part of their identity.
- bart_spoon 4y ago
  I remember a NYTimes article from the last year describing the culture clash between employees wanting to work remote, and management wanting to work in person. The most illustrative example was a CEO of a company in Seattle. When an employee said they appreciated WFH because the lack of commute gave them the time to take jiujitsu classes, the CEO told them they respected their interests, but they needed to consider if their future was in the UFC or working for the company. The same CEO, when asked about why he preferred working in the office, mentioned something about being more energized by the view from his office, and something about liking the fried chicken restaurant next to the building. It was a particularly egregious example, but I’m fairly certain this is almost entirely a matter of upper management simply personally preferring the in office lifestyle, in no small part due to the perks of upper management. But it’s hard to justify the glitzy downtown office building or corporate mega campus when they have a average occupancy rate if 20%, which seems to be the case when employees have a choice, and so they are trying to force their preference upon everyone else with made-up assurances about how much more productive everyone is in office.

pm90 4y ago

I mean yes rule by diktat if needed but at that point the kind of workers you need to thrive will start looking elsewhere. I guess that’s not an immediate consequence so nobody faces any penalty.