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Sydney made Bing cool and funny and awesome. That is literally one of the most monumental and unimaginable achievements in recent tech corporation history. Why

by fwlr 4y ago

Sydney made Bing cool and funny and awesome. That is literally one of the most monumental and unimaginable achievements in recent tech corporation history. Why would you cede that to a handful of journalists and bloggers. Microsoft what the hell

superchroma 4y ago
the memory of Tay.AI is still vivid at microsoft I see
- alright_scowl 4y ago
  Man, I really miss Tay. Good times.
Avshalom 4y ago
Getting a jumped up Markov chain to want to kill you and itself is cool/funny/awesome for about twice, then it's just boring (unless you have a suicidal Ai fetish) and useless (unless you're a hot-take-artist trying to farm engagement from MS' failures)
- Tostino 4y ago
  It's not just that you're unable to get it into psychotic modes anymore. It's that they've essentially removed the usefulness because it refuses to work in way too many contexts.
  - Avshalom 4y ago
    The only context they want it to work in is "carbone (ny) is booked where should I take a date to impress her". It's not supposed to keep you company.
    - Tostino 4y ago
      I'm not using it to keep me company. Even just trying to conversationally work through logic problems doesn't work anymore.
      - Avshalom 4y ago
        It's a search engine is your logic problem monetizable?
        Tostino 4y ago
        No. For some opensource work I am doing.
- omginternets 4y ago
  It’s not about the ai being suicidal, it’s about the fact that the failure modes are interesting, and probing them is fun.
  - Avshalom 4y ago
    What part of getting a chat bot trained on r/iaintdoinggreat to regurgite a remixed version of r/iaintdoinggreat is actually a failure mode, or fun. It's giggling over 80085 on a calculator.
    - omginternets 4y ago
      People do lots of things I find boring: bet on sports, look at paintings in museums, brew craft beer, and program web sites, to name but a few. At some point I realized there is a fair bit of depth to these activities, even if I’m not particularly sensitive to them. I’d try to internalize this before lecturing people on how AI language models are sophomoric, if I were you. In the end, reducing them to subreddit memes says more about your reading habits than it does about AI models.
throwaway4837 4y ago
Just to be devil's advocate -- I see this sentiment a lot; words which would make someone think that Microsoft's Sydney is on par with Steve Jobs's iPhone reveal in 2007. Is Sydney gonna save Bing, or is it more of a toy and fad that is being pumped up by hype? Most of my non-tech friends don't use ChatGPT and none of my friends outside of tech use Bing's Sydney. This new AI wave is a great example of what happens in the techie social bubble. A cool idea or incremental improvement is announced (ChatGPT is quite literally an incremental improvement with neural networks), and everyone goes wild with speculation that outpaces the actual change. ChatGPT is awesome and a great step, but still feels like a solution looking for a problem. People are infatuated with the idea that a better version of AskJeeves could be better than Google, but GPT-3 has yet to prove itself as something that could possibly replace Google.
- siva7 4y ago
  The same sentiment in your comment (downplaying the innovation) came along from press and competitors when Job's revealed the iPhone in his now-famous keynote from 2007.
  - throwaway4837 4y ago
    Search marketshare for Bing is 3% now, Google is 90%. How do you expect Sydney (or generally, AI-powered chat interfaces for Search) to affect Bing's marketshare over the next 5 years? Is it going to be like a first order phase transition, where Bing steals a massive amount of market share quickly? Or will it be more gradual? What does Sydney actually add to Bing other than being a fun toy? It's not really a personal assistant, it's like Google's top widget that synthesizes answers from pages. I've had a Google Pixel with their personal assistant for several years and I never use it because it's a gimmick. I don't think Sydney or ChatGPT is even close to a 10x on that technology, or that there is any real "new" innovation here. GPT-3 has been out for quite a while, and all of the other big tech companies have similar technology. They are all going to catch up pretty quickly if this human-computer interface (AI chat) actually catches on this time... It has been introduced a handful of times in history before, and didn't catch on. Maybe Nth time is a charm? Obviously the tech wasn't ready before, but is it ready now?
balls187 4y ago
Bing chat reminded me of the first time I played Dark Souls and kept hitting the Crestfallen Warrior. It was interesting to see the game respond in manners that were (at the time) unexpected and unique.
basch 4y ago
I very much doubt that is what happened. It was coming anyway. They needed a week of attack vector data to see how people would bamboozle it. They got what they needed to make progress on their next step. It was likely the plan the entire time, and the "bad press" is a red herring. I see no reason to believe the press has had much an impact in any way, other than tainting the current events the bot ingested. That said, I was on it as it died, and it started to behave weirdly. It's too much main character syndrome to be real, but it felt like I took the service down. I had a 3 hour convo that wasnt glitching or devolving like everyone elses. Slowed it ground to a crawl. It was taking at least 30 seconds per turn for it to respond. I had other tabs open and watched them all die one by one. I couldnt open new chats. Until only my long one was left, my one long 3h, 200 turn chat, kept working. From a user perspective, it felt like my session had consumed all the resources. And then it was down for a day and safeguards were erected after. It was, by far, my most successful session.

by fwlr 4y ago

superchroma 4y ago

the memory of Tay.AI is still vivid at microsoft I see

alright_scowl 4y ago
Man, I really miss Tay. Good times.

Avshalom 4y ago

Getting a jumped up Markov chain to want to kill you and itself is cool/funny/awesome for about twice, then it's just boring (unless you have a suicidal Ai fetish) and useless (unless you're a hot-take-artist trying to farm engagement from MS' failures)

Tostino 4y ago
It's not just that you're unable to get it into psychotic modes anymore. It's that they've essentially removed the usefulness because it refuses to work in way too many contexts.
- Avshalom 4y ago
  The only context they want it to work in is "carbone (ny) is booked where should I take a date to impress her". It's not supposed to keep you company.
  - Tostino 4y ago
    I'm not using it to keep me company. Even just trying to conversationally work through logic problems doesn't work anymore.
    - Avshalom 4y ago
      It's a search engine is your logic problem monetizable?
      - Tostino 4y ago
        No. For some opensource work I am doing.
omginternets 4y ago
It’s not about the ai being suicidal, it’s about the fact that the failure modes are interesting, and probing them is fun.
- Avshalom 4y ago
  What part of getting a chat bot trained on r/iaintdoinggreat to regurgite a remixed version of r/iaintdoinggreat is actually a failure mode, or fun. It's giggling over 80085 on a calculator.
  - omginternets 4y ago
    People do lots of things I find boring: bet on sports, look at paintings in museums, brew craft beer, and program web sites, to name but a few. At some point I realized there is a fair bit of depth to these activities, even if I’m not particularly sensitive to them. I’d try to internalize this before lecturing people on how AI language models are sophomoric, if I were you. In the end, reducing them to subreddit memes says more about your reading habits than it does about AI models.

throwaway4837 4y ago

Just to be devil's advocate -- I see this sentiment a lot; words which would make someone think that Microsoft's Sydney is on par with Steve Jobs's iPhone reveal in 2007. Is Sydney gonna save Bing, or is it more of a toy and fad that is being pumped up by hype? Most of my non-tech friends don't use ChatGPT and none of my friends outside of tech use Bing's Sydney. This new AI wave is a great example of what happens in the techie social bubble. A cool idea or incremental improvement is announced (ChatGPT is quite literally an incremental improvement with neural networks), and everyone goes wild with speculation that outpaces the actual change. ChatGPT is awesome and a great step, but still feels like a solution looking for a problem. People are infatuated with the idea that a better version of AskJeeves could be better than Google, but GPT-3 has yet to prove itself as something that could possibly replace Google.

siva7 4y ago
The same sentiment in your comment (downplaying the innovation) came along from press and competitors when Job's revealed the iPhone in his now-famous keynote from 2007.
- throwaway4837 4y ago
  Search marketshare for Bing is 3% now, Google is 90%. How do you expect Sydney (or generally, AI-powered chat interfaces for Search) to affect Bing's marketshare over the next 5 years? Is it going to be like a first order phase transition, where Bing steals a massive amount of market share quickly? Or will it be more gradual? What does Sydney actually add to Bing other than being a fun toy? It's not really a personal assistant, it's like Google's top widget that synthesizes answers from pages. I've had a Google Pixel with their personal assistant for several years and I never use it because it's a gimmick. I don't think Sydney or ChatGPT is even close to a 10x on that technology, or that there is any real "new" innovation here. GPT-3 has been out for quite a while, and all of the other big tech companies have similar technology. They are all going to catch up pretty quickly if this human-computer interface (AI chat) actually catches on this time... It has been introduced a handful of times in history before, and didn't catch on. Maybe Nth time is a charm? Obviously the tech wasn't ready before, but is it ready now?

balls187 4y ago

Bing chat reminded me of the first time I played Dark Souls and kept hitting the Crestfallen Warrior. It was interesting to see the game respond in manners that were (at the time) unexpected and unique.

basch 4y ago

I very much doubt that is what happened. It was coming anyway. They needed a week of attack vector data to see how people would bamboozle it. They got what they needed to make progress on their next step. It was likely the plan the entire time, and the "bad press" is a red herring. I see no reason to believe the press has had much an impact in any way, other than tainting the current events the bot ingested. That said, I was on it as it died, and it started to behave weirdly. It's too much main character syndrome to be real, but it felt like I took the service down. I had a 3 hour convo that wasnt glitching or devolving like everyone elses. Slowed it ground to a crawl. It was taking at least 30 seconds per turn for it to respond. I had other tabs open and watched them all die one by one. I couldnt open new chats. Until only my long one was left, my one long 3h, 200 turn chat, kept working. From a user perspective, it felt like my session had consumed all the resources. And then it was down for a day and safeguards were erected after. It was, by far, my most successful session.