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The other person who posted a viral video of the water with an oil-like sheen was US Senator JD Vance, who is... ahh... well, basically the furthest thing from

The other person who posted a viral video of the water with an oil-like sheen was US Senator JD Vance, who is... ahh... well, basically the furthest thing from what the other Twitter poster put out.

gruez 4y ago
Horseshoe theory. Both the extreme left and the extreme right has reason to doubt/oppose the current political establishment.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  The nice thing about extremists is that they're sufficiently non-invested in making the status quo look good that they're happy to point out when it's shit. Frankly I really like the extremists on both sides of the isle. While I might vehemently disagree with them on specifics they are at least generally principled people who derive their policy positions from their beliefs logically and I have respect for that.
  - AnimalMuppet 4y ago
    But they'll also happily claim that the status quo is terrible even when it is in fact objectively quite good. Re your second paragraph: Things that logically derive from insane starting points can still be insane. Often are, in fact. When they are right, they are right only by random accident. I'm not saying "don't read them", but don't use what they say to adjust your priors very much.
  - andsoitis 4y ago
    > While I might vehemently disagree with them on specifics they are at least generally principled people Being so staunchly principled that you cannot compromise or be practical or be open to have your mind changed is not a virtue, in my mind. If anything it is arrogant. > who derive their policy positions from their beliefs logically and I have respect for that. Outcomes are more important. If your beliefs are abhorrent then your policies will follow. That is not something to admire.
  - ericmay 4y ago
    Yes but being principled to the point that you do obviously stupid things isn’t good, and it’s even worse when idealogical zealots seize hold of power. We want people to poke holes in things which is what I think you were getting at, but they should be nowhere near anything serious.
- myko 4y ago
  Interestingly the GOP is the "extreme right" in the US, where the Democratic party is primarily centrist/center right folks. Makes for really weird inter-party interactions within the Democrats.
vore 4y ago
JD Vance has a similar motivation for making the current administration take the flak for it, so I would also take him with a grain of salt.
- newsclues 4y ago
  The government should want to do testing and prove Vance to be a conspiracy loony then right?
  - vore 4y ago
    Of course. I don't doubt the scale of the disaster but it's very easy in the face of uncertainty for anyone to jump to conclusions without doing their due diligence, either due to some agenda or just inadvertently.
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- briandear 4y ago
  The Air Traffic Control meltdown we’re seeing (ask any airline pilot about the vaccine mandate’s effect on ATC and pilot early retirement/staffing) the shipping port mess in 2021, continuing supply chain transport issues, seemingly frequent train crashes — Shouldn’t Buttigieg be taking flak? The FAA budget for example stated a priority for “equity” and inclusion. Shouldn’t the priority be air fucking safety? The FAA is a mess right now. And it’s Buttigieg’s fault. But at least we were able to spend millions changing “airmen” to “air missions” in the NOTAM system — all while doing nothing to actually fix the NOTAM system. Now the FAA also wants to stop people from using the term “cockpit” — not realizing that there is nothing in the history of that word that is “gendered.” Just stupidity and madness. JD Vance is right to hammer the administration: while DoT is worrying about gendered language, trains are derailing with toxic chemicals and planes are nearly crashing because of faulty ATC. https://aerocorner.com/blog/why-is-cockpit-called-cockpit/ https://aerocorner.com/blog/why-is-cockpit-called-cockpit/

The other person who posted a viral video of the water with an oil-like sheen was US Senator JD Vance, who is... ahh... well, basically the furthest thing from what the other Twitter poster put out.

gruez 4y ago

Horseshoe theory. Both the extreme left and the extreme right has reason to doubt/oppose the current political establishment.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
The nice thing about extremists is that they're sufficiently non-invested in making the status quo look good that they're happy to point out when it's shit. Frankly I really like the extremists on both sides of the isle. While I might vehemently disagree with them on specifics they are at least generally principled people who derive their policy positions from their beliefs logically and I have respect for that.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  But they'll also happily claim that the status quo is terrible even when it is in fact objectively quite good. Re your second paragraph: Things that logically derive from insane starting points can still be insane. Often are, in fact. When they are right, they are right only by random accident. I'm not saying "don't read them", but don't use what they say to adjust your priors very much.
- andsoitis 4y ago
  > While I might vehemently disagree with them on specifics they are at least generally principled people Being so staunchly principled that you cannot compromise or be practical or be open to have your mind changed is not a virtue, in my mind. If anything it is arrogant. > who derive their policy positions from their beliefs logically and I have respect for that. Outcomes are more important. If your beliefs are abhorrent then your policies will follow. That is not something to admire.
- ericmay 4y ago
  Yes but being principled to the point that you do obviously stupid things isn’t good, and it’s even worse when idealogical zealots seize hold of power. We want people to poke holes in things which is what I think you were getting at, but they should be nowhere near anything serious.
myko 4y ago
Interestingly the GOP is the "extreme right" in the US, where the Democratic party is primarily centrist/center right folks. Makes for really weird inter-party interactions within the Democrats.

vore 4y ago

JD Vance has a similar motivation for making the current administration take the flak for it, so I would also take him with a grain of salt.

newsclues 4y ago
The government should want to do testing and prove Vance to be a conspiracy loony then right?
- vore 4y ago
  Of course. I don't doubt the scale of the disaster but it's very easy in the face of uncertainty for anyone to jump to conclusions without doing their due diligence, either due to some agenda or just inadvertently.
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briandear 4y ago
The Air Traffic Control meltdown we’re seeing (ask any airline pilot about the vaccine mandate’s effect on ATC and pilot early retirement/staffing) the shipping port mess in 2021, continuing supply chain transport issues, seemingly frequent train crashes — Shouldn’t Buttigieg be taking flak? The FAA budget for example stated a priority for “equity” and inclusion. Shouldn’t the priority be air fucking safety? The FAA is a mess right now. And it’s Buttigieg’s fault. But at least we were able to spend millions changing “airmen” to “air missions” in the NOTAM system — all while doing nothing to actually fix the NOTAM system. Now the FAA also wants to stop people from using the term “cockpit” — not realizing that there is nothing in the history of that word that is “gendered.” Just stupidity and madness. JD Vance is right to hammer the administration: while DoT is worrying about gendered language, trains are derailing with toxic chemicals and planes are nearly crashing because of faulty ATC. https://aerocorner.com/blog/why-is-cockpit-called-cockpit/ https://aerocorner.com/blog/why-is-cockpit-called-cockpit/