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>Skelly is behind a previous transmission development company, Clean Line Energy, which dissolved in 2017 when a multi-state project failed to secure state regu

by xxpor 4y ago

>Skelly is behind a previous transmission development company, Clean Line Energy, which dissolved in 2017 when a multi-state project failed to secure state regulatory approval. We desperately need the feds to take over these approvals under the interstate commerce clause. We will need a ton of transmission infrastructure over the next decade, and we can't have things being held up or denied by the states just because they happen to be in the path. See the vote in Maine over the proposed line from Canada to NY.

readthenotes1 4y ago
why should maine suffer without adequate recompense for others?
- woodruffw 4y ago
  How does Maine suffer? That's not a rhetorical question; I fail to understand how a power line hurts it.
  - downvotetruth 4y ago
    If there is such a need to put it through state land, then it can be paid to put it underground to not have to continually spray herbicides to keep the weeds down. But, that would cut into Avangrid's profits, and they have been known for substandard customer service & after storm line work. If they want to offer state level service, then the state should own the line. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29100131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29100131 108 comments & https://www.eenews.net/articles/embattled-maine-power-line-foreshadows-u-s-climate-obstacles/ https://www.eenews.net/articles/embattled-maine-power-line-f...
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    - woodruffw 4y ago
      I'm having trouble parsing this sentence: are you saying the federal government doesn't want to pay for the line? Or that they won't pay for some version of it?
      - downvotetruth 4y ago
        Proposal is for the Maine line to be privately owned. Outside of the Western Area Power Administration, the generation and transmission equipment is currently owned, operated and maintained by a consortium of private industrial companies called Independent System Operators or Regional Transmission Organizations (ISOs/RTOs) administered competitively under the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) program of the DOE. https://www.quora.com/Does-the-government-own-all-power-lines https://www.quora.com/Does-the-government-own-all-power-line...
    - Spooky23 4y ago
      It has nothing to do with herbicide, just some bullshit. As with most successful rural populist movements, you follow the money. The company who owns a nuclear plant in New Hampshire funded the opposition to competition.
    - andromeduck 4y ago
      Long range transmission is expensive enough as it is without needing to be buried.
      - downvotetruth 4y ago
        Forest fires are expensive too.
        andromeduck 4y ago
        PG&E's problems arise from poor maintenance and mismanagement owing to their ostensibly privately run but not really ownership/governance structure.
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    It does forclose most other usage opportunities for the land needed.
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      Sure, but that doesn't equate to suffering. Presumably there's some deal that Maine would find amendable. (Besides: Maine is has a heavily forested, virtually unpopulated interior. It's not clear to me that a HVDC line would represent a significant potential usage cost.)
      - dahfizz 4y ago
        The people of Maine would disagree (obviously, since they did). Forests don't exist to build over. New Englanders like their forests.
        woodruffw 4y ago
        These aren’t incompatible positions: New York is both densely forested, and has an extensive interstate electricity network running through it. You wouldn’t know it unless you went looking for the lines (which I have!). (Nothing exists “to be built over.” The only question is whether we can build a thing and whether it’s appropriate to do so.)
    - Analemma_ 4y ago
      Have you been to the part of Maine the power line would have run through? There is nothing there. For much of the line's proposed length there weren't any small towns within dozens of miles.
    - freeone3000 4y ago
      ...does it? The RMCC runs right through a few towns on the Quebec side. It's a power line, I don't see what the big deal is.

by xxpor 4y ago

readthenotes1 4y ago

why should maine suffer without adequate recompense for others?

woodruffw 4y ago
How does Maine suffer? That's not a rhetorical question; I fail to understand how a power line hurts it.
- downvotetruth 4y ago
  If there is such a need to put it through state land, then it can be paid to put it underground to not have to continually spray herbicides to keep the weeds down. But, that would cut into Avangrid's profits, and they have been known for substandard customer service & after storm line work. If they want to offer state level service, then the state should own the line. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29100131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29100131 108 comments & https://www.eenews.net/articles/embattled-maine-power-line-foreshadows-u-s-climate-obstacles/ https://www.eenews.net/articles/embattled-maine-power-line-f...
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  - woodruffw 4y ago
    I'm having trouble parsing this sentence: are you saying the federal government doesn't want to pay for the line? Or that they won't pay for some version of it?
    - downvotetruth 4y ago
      Proposal is for the Maine line to be privately owned. Outside of the Western Area Power Administration, the generation and transmission equipment is currently owned, operated and maintained by a consortium of private industrial companies called Independent System Operators or Regional Transmission Organizations (ISOs/RTOs) administered competitively under the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) program of the DOE. https://www.quora.com/Does-the-government-own-all-power-lines https://www.quora.com/Does-the-government-own-all-power-line...
  - Spooky23 4y ago
    It has nothing to do with herbicide, just some bullshit. As with most successful rural populist movements, you follow the money. The company who owns a nuclear plant in New Hampshire funded the opposition to competition.
  - andromeduck 4y ago
    Long range transmission is expensive enough as it is without needing to be buried.
    - downvotetruth 4y ago
      Forest fires are expensive too.
      - andromeduck 4y ago
        PG&E's problems arise from poor maintenance and mismanagement owing to their ostensibly privately run but not really ownership/governance structure.
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  It does forclose most other usage opportunities for the land needed.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    Sure, but that doesn't equate to suffering. Presumably there's some deal that Maine would find amendable. (Besides: Maine is has a heavily forested, virtually unpopulated interior. It's not clear to me that a HVDC line would represent a significant potential usage cost.)
    - dahfizz 4y ago
      The people of Maine would disagree (obviously, since they did). Forests don't exist to build over. New Englanders like their forests.
      - woodruffw 4y ago
        These aren’t incompatible positions: New York is both densely forested, and has an extensive interstate electricity network running through it. You wouldn’t know it unless you went looking for the lines (which I have!). (Nothing exists “to be built over.” The only question is whether we can build a thing and whether it’s appropriate to do so.)
  - Analemma_ 4y ago
    Have you been to the part of Maine the power line would have run through? There is nothing there. For much of the line's proposed length there weren't any small towns within dozens of miles.
  - freeone3000 4y ago
    ...does it? The RMCC runs right through a few towns on the Quebec side. It's a power line, I don't see what the big deal is.