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> I hope notions of attractiveness in Western societies can normalize on just being healthy. I believe this is happening, particularly noticeable for American

> I hope notions of attractiveness in Western societies can normalize on just being healthy. I believe this is happening, particularly noticeable for American women. "Fit/Athletic" is in, "skinny" is out. My wife has noticed that high-status/high-income American women tend to be much more athletic than high-status women in Europe and elsewhere, where they tend to be thin. In both cases, genetically inherited attractiveness also dominates (e.g. height for men, facial structure, etc). > Another point, I don't think most people find hyper-thinness attractive. Depends on the society. In Asia it's still by far the most popular aesthetic, especially for women.

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password11 4y ago
Thanks for addressing my edit -- > Depends on the society. In Asia it's still by far the most popular aesthetic, especially for women. I guess I outed myself as an American. I'm not sure I want to compare attractiveness standards with other cultures. I'm ok to take a hedonistic view here: if adhering to super-thin attractiveness standards causes women suffering or shortens their lives (which it does) then the standards are bad and I hope people in those countries reevaluate their standards.
danjoredd 4y ago
I think a lot of that has to do with perception in media as well. I remember as a kid, it seemed that almost every male protagonist in coming of age stories had a tomboy girlfriend who was very athletic. Recently I had a discussion with some friends on childhood TV crushes, and most of them mentioned characters that fit the "fit" tomboy archetype. Sure, it's anecdotal. Still, I wonder how much media people see in childhood influences what people view as attractive later in life?
stuckinhell 4y ago
I'd like to add Fit/Athletic is only "in" for a certain class of affluent liberal white women.
- runnerup 4y ago
  Pretty much any woman under 40 in the C-suite or Big-3 consulting regardless of their political orientation. Which is very relevant to an article discussing the ROI of body type.
lotsofpulp 4y ago
> Depends on the society. In Asia it's still by far the most popular aesthetic, especially for women. This would surprise me. Being fit and muscular is a sign that you are wealthy enough to spend time exercising and researching how to exercise, and/or have a trainer. Being able to control your diet is cool, but what is even cooler is being able to go for an 8K run and then eating whatever you want.

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password11 4y ago

Thanks for addressing my edit -- > Depends on the society. In Asia it's still by far the most popular aesthetic, especially for women. I guess I outed myself as an American. I'm not sure I want to compare attractiveness standards with other cultures. I'm ok to take a hedonistic view here: if adhering to super-thin attractiveness standards causes women suffering or shortens their lives (which it does) then the standards are bad and I hope people in those countries reevaluate their standards.

danjoredd 4y ago

I think a lot of that has to do with perception in media as well. I remember as a kid, it seemed that almost every male protagonist in coming of age stories had a tomboy girlfriend who was very athletic. Recently I had a discussion with some friends on childhood TV crushes, and most of them mentioned characters that fit the "fit" tomboy archetype. Sure, it's anecdotal. Still, I wonder how much media people see in childhood influences what people view as attractive later in life?

stuckinhell 4y ago

I'd like to add Fit/Athletic is only "in" for a certain class of affluent liberal white women.

runnerup 4y ago
Pretty much any woman under 40 in the C-suite or Big-3 consulting regardless of their political orientation. Which is very relevant to an article discussing the ROI of body type.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

> Depends on the society. In Asia it's still by far the most popular aesthetic, especially for women. This would surprise me. Being fit and muscular is a sign that you are wealthy enough to spend time exercising and researching how to exercise, and/or have a trainer. Being able to control your diet is cool, but what is even cooler is being able to go for an 8K run and then eating whatever you want.