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Your argument is exactly why WFH will fail. Bob and Alice share the same manager, Carl. When Carl needs Bob, he has to send a slack message and arrange a time

by voisin 4y ago

Your argument is exactly why WFH will fail. Bob and Alice share the same manager, Carl. When Carl needs Bob, he has to send a slack message and arrange a time for a call. When Carl needs Alice, he turns his head and calls across the aisle to her desk. How is Bob expected to ever be top of mind or as relevant to Carl as Alice? Fast forward and anyone with ambition to get ahead will recognize this dynamic and opt to be in the office, and anyone else will WFH and be high on the list to cull when the economy turns. Easier to fire the talking head on your screen than the real person you see every day.

EMM_386 4y ago
I have worked remotely in IT in multiple positions for over a decade, far pre-dating the pandemic WFH transition. I have never had a problem with communication or feeling noticed. Everything I do is tracked, and I am at my desk during work hours, the same as if I was in an office. When someone Slacks me, I generally will get back to them either instantaneously or within a few minutes, the same as if I was in an office. I'm not sitting around watching Netflix or going for an hour walk at 10 AM. I'm expected during certain hours to be doing my job, no matter where it is. I don't see this as a reason that "WFh will fail', it's been working fine for me.
kkfx 4y ago
With the note that I'm from EU, so some social habits my differ, if someone, not just a manager have to reach me I have a VoIP phone and there is NOTHING to schedule up front. Someone call, I answer. The "scheduling" part is NOT about WFH vs in office but working without defined timeframes LIKE in the office. If you state: you should be available at your desktop from your home between HH:MM and HH2:MM2 these days per week anything will be the same.
WWLink 4y ago
> Bob and Alice share the same manager, Carl. When Carl needs Bob, he has to send a slack message and arrange a time for a call. When Carl needs Alice, he turns his head and calls across the aisle to her desk. How is Bob expected to ever be top of mind or as relevant to Carl as Alice? Who said you need to arrange a time for a call? Especially if I'm right fucking there. The availability should be the same. If I am WFH and not at my desk, I'll miss the call. Same thing will happen if I'm in the office and not at my desk.
lightbendover 4y ago
> How is Bob expected to ever be top of mind or as relevant to Carl as Alice? Because Bob is a badass who carried an SVP goal by himself and Alice is a typically valueless Amazonian who should now obviously be applauded for being in the office because of reasons.

by voisin 4y ago

EMM_386 4y ago

I have worked remotely in IT in multiple positions for over a decade, far pre-dating the pandemic WFH transition. I have never had a problem with communication or feeling noticed. Everything I do is tracked, and I am at my desk during work hours, the same as if I was in an office. When someone Slacks me, I generally will get back to them either instantaneously or within a few minutes, the same as if I was in an office. I'm not sitting around watching Netflix or going for an hour walk at 10 AM. I'm expected during certain hours to be doing my job, no matter where it is. I don't see this as a reason that "WFh will fail', it's been working fine for me.

kkfx 4y ago

With the note that I'm from EU, so some social habits my differ, if someone, not just a manager have to reach me I have a VoIP phone and there is NOTHING to schedule up front. Someone call, I answer. The "scheduling" part is NOT about WFH vs in office but working without defined timeframes LIKE in the office. If you state: you should be available at your desktop from your home between HH:MM and HH2:MM2 these days per week anything will be the same.

WWLink 4y ago

> Bob and Alice share the same manager, Carl. When Carl needs Bob, he has to send a slack message and arrange a time for a call. When Carl needs Alice, he turns his head and calls across the aisle to her desk. How is Bob expected to ever be top of mind or as relevant to Carl as Alice? Who said you need to arrange a time for a call? Especially if I'm right fucking there. The availability should be the same. If I am WFH and not at my desk, I'll miss the call. Same thing will happen if I'm in the office and not at my desk.

lightbendover 4y ago

> How is Bob expected to ever be top of mind or as relevant to Carl as Alice? Because Bob is a badass who carried an SVP goal by himself and Alice is a typically valueless Amazonian who should now obviously be applauded for being in the office because of reasons.