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> If I want to help the developers debug their app for free I will decide on my own when and how to do that. You say this like you pay for the app. Audacity is

> If I want to help the developers debug their app for free I will decide on my own when and how to do that. You say this like you pay for the app. Audacity is free.

stonogo 4y ago
Whether or not I paid for the app and whether or not I want to help debug it are two completely separate and unrelated questions.
- Entinel 4y ago
  They aren't though. You say "help debug it" as if you are actually lifting a finger to help. In reality, you have a problem that a company provides you an app for free and wants your anonymous data to help improve it. Something that cost you nothing in terms of time or money. Also something you can opt out of if you find that agreement disagreeable for whatever reason.
  - wizzwizz4 4y ago
    > In reality, you have a problem that a company provides you an app for free and wants your anonymous data to help improve it. No, in reality, you have a company that bought the branding of a piece of free software. They didn't make Audacity. They contributed to versions 3.0 through 3.2.1 (which I've, personally, never used). They had nothing to do with the award-winning version 1.3.x, nor anything up to 2.4.2. I'm not against companies taking on the maintenance of free software projects – provided it's not an Embrace Extend Extinguish ruse –, but throwing money around wouldn't entitle one to claim credit. (I'm not aware of Muse Group claiming credit for Audacity, but if anyone is pulling a stunt like that, I would like to write them a strongly-worded letter.)
  - stonogo 4y ago
    If my data is valuable to them they can pay me for it. And don't forget this company initially tried to ship telemetry-by-default in this software before there was backlash. They retreated to a reasonable compromise, but in no way are they entitled to a single byte of my data. I owe them nothing. I did not compel them to "provide me an app for free," not only because that app existed long before they bought its branding, but also because I had no voice in their licensing policy. If they want to amend their license to require telemetry, they may do so, and I will stop using the software. But never, ever, as long as I live, will I owe them shit.
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    - str3wer 4y ago
      they aren't entitled to your data as much as you are entitled to complain about something free that people spent countless hours working on it. nobody is forcing you to use it, but you could still ask a refund as the free program that nobody forced you to use has added something that you don't agree with.
      - stonogo 4y ago
        Your attempt at sarcasm appears to have decayed into incoherence. If the point you're trying to make is that I don't have to use the software, I already knew that, but thanks. If the point you're trying to make is that I'm not entitled to opinions on the matter because I didn't pay anyone for the software, that's horse shit.
noman-land 4y ago
Audacity chose to make itself free. It had nothing to do with me. I don't owe them anything for that. Giving someone a gift does not entitle you to a gift of your choice in return.
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jszymborski 4y ago
Audacity is free, my data is not
- anaganisk 4y ago
  Is it really your data when they are collecting error reports?
  - jszymborski 4y ago
    ... yes? Are the documents made by a word processor really mine when the word processor collects my input and saves it to disk?

> If I want to help the developers debug their app for free I will decide on my own when and how to do that. You say this like you pay for the app. Audacity is free.

stonogo 4y ago

Whether or not I paid for the app and whether or not I want to help debug it are two completely separate and unrelated questions.

Entinel 4y ago
They aren't though. You say "help debug it" as if you are actually lifting a finger to help. In reality, you have a problem that a company provides you an app for free and wants your anonymous data to help improve it. Something that cost you nothing in terms of time or money. Also something you can opt out of if you find that agreement disagreeable for whatever reason.
- wizzwizz4 4y ago
  > In reality, you have a problem that a company provides you an app for free and wants your anonymous data to help improve it. No, in reality, you have a company that bought the branding of a piece of free software. They didn't make Audacity. They contributed to versions 3.0 through 3.2.1 (which I've, personally, never used). They had nothing to do with the award-winning version 1.3.x, nor anything up to 2.4.2. I'm not against companies taking on the maintenance of free software projects – provided it's not an Embrace Extend Extinguish ruse –, but throwing money around wouldn't entitle one to claim credit. (I'm not aware of Muse Group claiming credit for Audacity, but if anyone is pulling a stunt like that, I would like to write them a strongly-worded letter.)
- stonogo 4y ago
  If my data is valuable to them they can pay me for it. And don't forget this company initially tried to ship telemetry-by-default in this software before there was backlash. They retreated to a reasonable compromise, but in no way are they entitled to a single byte of my data. I owe them nothing. I did not compel them to "provide me an app for free," not only because that app existed long before they bought its branding, but also because I had no voice in their licensing policy. If they want to amend their license to require telemetry, they may do so, and I will stop using the software. But never, ever, as long as I live, will I owe them shit.
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  - str3wer 4y ago
    they aren't entitled to your data as much as you are entitled to complain about something free that people spent countless hours working on it. nobody is forcing you to use it, but you could still ask a refund as the free program that nobody forced you to use has added something that you don't agree with.
    - stonogo 4y ago
      Your attempt at sarcasm appears to have decayed into incoherence. If the point you're trying to make is that I don't have to use the software, I already knew that, but thanks. If the point you're trying to make is that I'm not entitled to opinions on the matter because I didn't pay anyone for the software, that's horse shit.

noman-land 4y ago

Audacity chose to make itself free. It had nothing to do with me. I don't owe them anything for that. Giving someone a gift does not entitle you to a gift of your choice in return.

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jszymborski 4y ago

Audacity is free, my data is not

anaganisk 4y ago
Is it really your data when they are collecting error reports?
- jszymborski 4y ago
  ... yes? Are the documents made by a word processor really mine when the word processor collects my input and saves it to disk?