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Except now Florida is fighting with the College Board over the contents of some AP classes they’re offering. “Woke” and “Anti-Woke” are two sides of the same i

Except now Florida is fighting with the College Board over the contents of some AP classes they’re offering. “Woke” and “Anti-Woke” are two sides of the same idiotic coin—you won’t be reading classics in either place. Neither side wants you to actually learn how to think for yourself, they both just want adherence to their ideology.

mrguyorama 4y ago
Seeing as the "Woke" side explicitly wants people to learn about american history, while the "anti-woke" crowd is banning books from classrooms, this "both sides same" narrative is garbage.
- karlshea 4y ago
  I totally agree that the "anti-woke" side is firmly way off to the extreme on this—but there's more banning viewpoints and pushing some out-there ideology on the woke side than everyone seems comfortable talking about. I'm not trying to both-sides this at all, I'd just caution the woke side to keep in mind that it's easy to veer off in a crazy direction if it keeps on going, and this is coming from a strong leftist First Amendment point of view.
  - dmix 4y ago
    > it's easy to veer off in a crazy direction if it keeps on going You seem to have a higher tolerance than most who care to pay attention. There's plenty of evidence crazy is mainstreaming in legacy school boards and among influential university professors. At least for those who appreciate talent and measurable outcomes, not naive and idealistic "let's make everyone equally mediocre" approach. IMO, as a Canadian, the fact a single US state (Florida) is engaging in the inversely crazy radical-right response in education - similarly using banning and ideology to silence dissent and push their own weird versions - doesn't really do much to counter the mountain pushing back against meritocracy and talent in the last decade. The trend in the rest of the western world is very apparent once you view US national-level politics in a realistic real-world context. You could justifiably argue there's plenty of dominant rhetoric in national US politics/media (and related global media which feeds off the US) to balance the narratives, maybe even argue it's more fundamentally centrist than either/or. But in the real practical world of education (and HR/private employment, journalism, health care, movies/TV, etc) there really is no comparison of ideological cultural impact and high-risk experimental adjustment going on.
- throwawayacc5 4y ago
  Seeing as the "anti-woke" side explicitly wants people to learn about american history, while the "woke" crowd is banning books, pushing porn and propaganda books and into classrooms, this "both sides same" narrative is garbage.

mrguyorama 4y ago

Seeing as the "Woke" side explicitly wants people to learn about american history, while the "anti-woke" crowd is banning books from classrooms, this "both sides same" narrative is garbage.

karlshea 4y ago
I totally agree that the "anti-woke" side is firmly way off to the extreme on this—but there's more banning viewpoints and pushing some out-there ideology on the woke side than everyone seems comfortable talking about. I'm not trying to both-sides this at all, I'd just caution the woke side to keep in mind that it's easy to veer off in a crazy direction if it keeps on going, and this is coming from a strong leftist First Amendment point of view.
- dmix 4y ago
  > it's easy to veer off in a crazy direction if it keeps on going You seem to have a higher tolerance than most who care to pay attention. There's plenty of evidence crazy is mainstreaming in legacy school boards and among influential university professors. At least for those who appreciate talent and measurable outcomes, not naive and idealistic "let's make everyone equally mediocre" approach. IMO, as a Canadian, the fact a single US state (Florida) is engaging in the inversely crazy radical-right response in education - similarly using banning and ideology to silence dissent and push their own weird versions - doesn't really do much to counter the mountain pushing back against meritocracy and talent in the last decade. The trend in the rest of the western world is very apparent once you view US national-level politics in a realistic real-world context. You could justifiably argue there's plenty of dominant rhetoric in national US politics/media (and related global media which feeds off the US) to balance the narratives, maybe even argue it's more fundamentally centrist than either/or. But in the real practical world of education (and HR/private employment, journalism, health care, movies/TV, etc) there really is no comparison of ideological cultural impact and high-risk experimental adjustment going on.
throwawayacc5 4y ago
Seeing as the "anti-woke" side explicitly wants people to learn about american history, while the "woke" crowd is banning books, pushing porn and propaganda books and into classrooms, this "both sides same" narrative is garbage.