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> The young are falling out of love with cars because they're unaffordable. It's as simple as that. It's yet another sign the standard of living is declining fo
by jjav 4y ago
> The young are falling out of love with cars because they're unaffordable. It's as simple as that. It's yet another sign the standard of living is declining for the young.
Have you compared to how things used to be? These numbers all seem to assume that it used to be much cheaper relative to income. That seems like a rosy look at the past but the numbers don't support that assumption.
Yes it would be dumb for a young person to pay 47K for a new car! (I'd say it's financially dumb for any person of any age, unless very rich, to pay 47K for a depreciating car.)
Since when do young people (on average) buy new cars? Aside from wealthy families, that was never a thing.
My first car cost $500 in 1988 was 20 years old with the floorboard rusting away so the road was visible through the floor while driving. And a starter that didn't work so it had to be push started every time. That's $1264 in todays dollars. That doesn't buy much, but I see a handful of beaters on craigslist that can be had for that money, and most seem nicer than the rusted beater I bought for $500.
My first new car (nothing fancy, a Mazda) cost 42% of my gross salary at the time.
A Mazda 3 can be had for $23K today, so at a similar price proportion a $55K salary would feel the same as when I bought.
So, none of it feels proportionally more expensive than 30+ years ago.
I think what is different today is the very high end of the market has grown a lot. There are endless cars over 100K whereas back in the 80s the list of hyper-expensive super cars was a very short one. Maybe this twists the perception of the market.
But the basic beater cars and new Toyota/Mazda/Honda/Kia-level cars are about as affordable as they ever were.
- pixl97 4y ago>But the basic beater cars and new Toyota/Mazda/Honda/Kia-level cars are about as affordable as they ever were. In the past 3 years they've gone up an extraordinary amount, so I have some doubts on that. I was a teenager in the 90s and would help out at a friend of my dads car lot. As a benefit they'd let me get first grab at the 'cheap beaters' that came in the lot, and before I even had a drivers license I had bought and sold around 20 cars. Things are significantly different now when looking back. First is inspections/insurance. Most of those cheap beaters back then you could buy would be in no way road legal now. At best they are parts, or you're spending thousands getting to the point of passing inspection. Then you add in Craigslist, which is also a major change in how car buying works. Don't think of this as significantly different than how GPUs were scalped during the pandemic. There are numerous individuals that watch the common digital markets where cars are posted and quickly buy up any cheap deals, and turn them out for thousands more on a lot.
- jjav 4y ago> In the past 3 years they've gone up an extraordinary amount, so I have some doubts on that. MSRP for a 2020 Toyota Corolla was $19,600 (these would've been for sale in the fall of 2019, so fully pre-pandemic pricing). MSRP for a 2023 Toyota Corolla is $21,550. So that's a $1950 increase (~10%) over three years. So it'a noticeable increase for sure, but I wouldn't call it extraordinary given the inflation of recent times.