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Audacium has officially merged with Tenacity

126 points by app4soft 4y ago

LeoPanthera 4y ago
I’m surprised Tenacity isn’t in Homebrew, even as a cask.
anigbrowl 4y ago
A more readable summary: https://github.com/Audacium/audacium https://github.com/Audacium/audacium
tevon 4y ago
The Audacity of it!
bqmjjx0kac 4y ago
Is (was?) Audacium related to Audacity at all?
- masklinn 4y ago
  I think it’s one of the audacity fork from when the main devs put telemetry in audacity a year or two back.
petecooper 4y ago
>Audacium has officially merged with Tenacity This appears to be the Tenacity referenced: https://tenacityaudio.org https://tenacityaudio.org https://codeberg.org/tenacityteam/tenacity https://codeberg.org/tenacityteam/tenacity https://github.com/tenacityteam/tenacity https://github.com/tenacityteam/tenacity
- mgsk 4y ago
  Not sure why they wouldn't include that link in the announcement/on github.
  - Arnavion 4y ago
    Probably didn't think of it. If you were using Audacium it's because you were looking for Audacity forks in general, so you would already know about Tenacity too.
ilyt 4y ago
Great! They can call it Audacity now
- talkingtab 4y ago
  or tenacium
  - seba_dos1 4y ago
    Tenacious A
  - 60secs 4y ago
    or Teneculum
CharlesW 4y ago
Audacity is audio/sample editor¹ that's popular as a My First Editor™ for podcasters, etc. For anyone wondering why the Audacium/Tenacity forks exist: https://www.zdnet.com/article/audacity-reverses-course-on-plans-to-add-opt-in-telemetry-after-outcry/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/audacity-reverses-course-on-pl... Apparently, Audacity telemetry is now restricted to a self-hosted Sentry error reporting service, and to sending version info an IP address (anonymized to the first 3 octets) on update checks. ¹ It's a so-called "destructive" audio editor², and so is different than modern, "non-destructive" audio editors like GarageBand, Reaper, Descript, etc. ² https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/hks-communications-program/files/ho_2_kgagne-audacity_10_30_17.pdf https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/hks-communications-pro...
- andrepd 4y ago
  Audacity also offers non-destructive editing.
- swyx 4y ago
  > It's a so-called "destructive" audio editor this is out of date as of Audacity 3.1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH1CndkiBiU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH1CndkiBiU
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    Wow, that's great news for its users! Non-destructive effects as well! https://support.audacityteam.org/audio-editing/using-realtime-effects https://support.audacityteam.org/audio-editing/using-realtim...
- weinzierl 4y ago
  Is there anything Audacity can do that the modern, "non-destructive" editors can't. Apart from ease of use and price is there any reason to use Audacity at all?
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    No, not in my opinion. Here are some alternatives I like to recommend, in alphabetical order: • Adobe Audition is great. Its main drawback is Adobe's rental-only pricing model ($20/month), which kinda stinks unless you need Adobe CC anyway. (macOS/Win) • If you're on a Mac, many incredibly-popular podcasts have been created with good ol' GarageBand. And if you ever outgrow GarageBand, projects can be "upgraded" to use Logic. (macOS) • Hindenburg Journalist is unique, in that it's an audio editor designed especially for spoken-word productions. (macOS/Win) • Presonus Studio One is wonderful and not known about by enough podcasters. There's a free Studio One Prime edition available. (macOS/Win) • Reaper is an inexpensive and well-liked choice. The discounted license is only $60, but you can “try” it for free as long as you like. (macOS/Win)
Retr0id 4y ago
IIUC both were projects spawned after Audacity added telemetry to their release builds. The telemetry in Audacity is behind both a build flag, and a runtime opt-in setting (although it was originally going to be opt-out, hence the uproar (I need to go fact-check this, it's been a while)). So, if you install Audacity through your distro's package manager, you're probably not getting any telemetry, opt-in or otherwise. With that in mind, I'm not sure I understand why these forks exist exactly. If I was a windows or macOS user, I might be interested in telemetry-free builds, and I'd be very thankful for anyone providing them, but I'm not sure why a whole fork is needed to do that. Looking at the git tree, it's clear that these forks have diverged significantly from upstream Audacity (simply from looking at commit counts and screenshots etc.), so it's apparently not a simple build-config-change and rebrand. However, the marketing blurb on https://tenacityaudio.org/ https://tenacityaudio.org/ does not make it clear which features are distinct from upstream. Edit: You can read about the telemetry options currently present in Audacity here: https://www.audacityteam.org/about/desktop-privacy-notice/ https://www.audacityteam.org/about/desktop-privacy-notice/
- dspillett 4y ago
  > I'm not sure I understand why these forks exist exactly. A large part of it is mistrust of Muse, over the initial opt-out nature of the new telemetry and over other past decisions, unrelated to Audacity, that people have found questionable.¹ Fool me once, and all that. > Looking at the git tree, it's clear that these forks have diverged significantly from upstream Audacity That in itself would be a reason, certainly from a dev's PoV, on top of that trust thing. If both projects fit what they want, but the downstream ones do it in a way they prefer, that is enough difference even if > [sic] the marketing does not make clear the difference from upstream implies that there is no major difference² from an end-users PoV³ at this point. -- [1] I've not looked into the latter in much detail, my use of Audacity is so infrequent currently that I don't think I've updated (or, obviously, switched to something else) since before the hoo-hah. [2] Yet, at least. [3] beyond the telemetry and potential trust issues
- teawrecks 4y ago
  > I might be interested in telemetry-free builds, and I'd be very thankful for anyone providing them That is the definition of a fork.
rcMgD2BwE72F 4y ago
Could anyone familiar with this add something about Audacium to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audacity_(audio_editor) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audacity_(audio_editor) if it's significant to its history? I tried to understand what happened and if there was a fork but couldn't.
- branon 4y ago
  If you want to understand even less, check this one out: https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity
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anaganisk 4y ago
Why is error reporting telemetry bad? Im really lost at why this is such a big deal. They're not collecting personal info. They are just looking to make the product better.
- rightbyte 4y ago
  Unless it is opt-in it is spyware. You can't trust devs that have such bad judgement that they would even think about doing it opt-out with the opt-in data either.
- sneak 4y ago
  When, where, and how you use your tools is personal info, even if your name is not put on the data.
  - Entinel 4y ago
    This is not true legally. If there is no way to link back to you personally then it is not PII.
    - Ruthalas 4y ago
      Correct me if I am wrong, but it's going to be tied to your IP address. So it will be tied to a unique identifier.
      - dspillett 4y ago
        As has been repeatedly argued in cases of IP-rights-holders-vs-sharers, an IP address on its own does not identify an individual. We argue that both ways depending on what suits us at the time, or we are as bad as the music industry flipping between “you bought the CD” and “you licensed the music” when it suits them to.
        Ruthalas 4y ago
        That's fair. (Though I certainly haven't argued it either way previously myself.) I do think it makes your statement that cannot, "be linked back to you personally", a little less absolute.

126 points by app4soft 4y ago

LeoPanthera 4y ago

I’m surprised Tenacity isn’t in Homebrew, even as a cask.

anigbrowl 4y ago

A more readable summary: https://github.com/Audacium/audacium https://github.com/Audacium/audacium

tevon 4y ago

The Audacity of it!

bqmjjx0kac 4y ago

Is (was?) Audacium related to Audacity at all?

masklinn 4y ago
I think it’s one of the audacity fork from when the main devs put telemetry in audacity a year or two back.

petecooper 4y ago

>Audacium has officially merged with Tenacity This appears to be the Tenacity referenced: https://tenacityaudio.org https://tenacityaudio.org https://codeberg.org/tenacityteam/tenacity https://codeberg.org/tenacityteam/tenacity https://github.com/tenacityteam/tenacity https://github.com/tenacityteam/tenacity

mgsk 4y ago
Not sure why they wouldn't include that link in the announcement/on github.
- Arnavion 4y ago
  Probably didn't think of it. If you were using Audacium it's because you were looking for Audacity forks in general, so you would already know about Tenacity too.

ilyt 4y ago

Great! They can call it Audacity now

talkingtab 4y ago
or tenacium
- seba_dos1 4y ago
  Tenacious A
- 60secs 4y ago
  or Teneculum

CharlesW 4y ago

Audacity is audio/sample editor¹ that's popular as a My First Editor™ for podcasters, etc. For anyone wondering why the Audacium/Tenacity forks exist: https://www.zdnet.com/article/audacity-reverses-course-on-plans-to-add-opt-in-telemetry-after-outcry/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/audacity-reverses-course-on-pl... Apparently, Audacity telemetry is now restricted to a self-hosted Sentry error reporting service, and to sending version info an IP address (anonymized to the first 3 octets) on update checks. ¹ It's a so-called "destructive" audio editor², and so is different than modern, "non-destructive" audio editors like GarageBand, Reaper, Descript, etc. ² https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/hks-communications-program/files/ho_2_kgagne-audacity_10_30_17.pdf https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/hks-communications-pro...

andrepd 4y ago
Audacity also offers non-destructive editing.
swyx 4y ago
> It's a so-called "destructive" audio editor this is out of date as of Audacity 3.1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH1CndkiBiU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH1CndkiBiU
- CharlesW 4y ago
  Wow, that's great news for its users! Non-destructive effects as well! https://support.audacityteam.org/audio-editing/using-realtime-effects https://support.audacityteam.org/audio-editing/using-realtim...
weinzierl 4y ago
Is there anything Audacity can do that the modern, "non-destructive" editors can't. Apart from ease of use and price is there any reason to use Audacity at all?
- CharlesW 4y ago
  No, not in my opinion. Here are some alternatives I like to recommend, in alphabetical order: • Adobe Audition is great. Its main drawback is Adobe's rental-only pricing model ($20/month), which kinda stinks unless you need Adobe CC anyway. (macOS/Win) • If you're on a Mac, many incredibly-popular podcasts have been created with good ol' GarageBand. And if you ever outgrow GarageBand, projects can be "upgraded" to use Logic. (macOS) • Hindenburg Journalist is unique, in that it's an audio editor designed especially for spoken-word productions. (macOS/Win) • Presonus Studio One is wonderful and not known about by enough podcasters. There's a free Studio One Prime edition available. (macOS/Win) • Reaper is an inexpensive and well-liked choice. The discounted license is only $60, but you can “try” it for free as long as you like. (macOS/Win)

Retr0id 4y ago

IIUC both were projects spawned after Audacity added telemetry to their release builds. The telemetry in Audacity is behind both a build flag, and a runtime opt-in setting (although it was originally going to be opt-out, hence the uproar (I need to go fact-check this, it's been a while)). So, if you install Audacity through your distro's package manager, you're probably not getting any telemetry, opt-in or otherwise. With that in mind, I'm not sure I understand why these forks exist exactly. If I was a windows or macOS user, I might be interested in telemetry-free builds, and I'd be very thankful for anyone providing them, but I'm not sure why a whole fork is needed to do that. Looking at the git tree, it's clear that these forks have diverged significantly from upstream Audacity (simply from looking at commit counts and screenshots etc.), so it's apparently not a simple build-config-change and rebrand. However, the marketing blurb on https://tenacityaudio.org/ https://tenacityaudio.org/ does not make it clear which features are distinct from upstream. Edit: You can read about the telemetry options currently present in Audacity here: https://www.audacityteam.org/about/desktop-privacy-notice/ https://www.audacityteam.org/about/desktop-privacy-notice/

dspillett 4y ago
> I'm not sure I understand why these forks exist exactly. A large part of it is mistrust of Muse, over the initial opt-out nature of the new telemetry and over other past decisions, unrelated to Audacity, that people have found questionable.¹ Fool me once, and all that. > Looking at the git tree, it's clear that these forks have diverged significantly from upstream Audacity That in itself would be a reason, certainly from a dev's PoV, on top of that trust thing. If both projects fit what they want, but the downstream ones do it in a way they prefer, that is enough difference even if > [sic] the marketing does not make clear the difference from upstream implies that there is no major difference² from an end-users PoV³ at this point. -- [1] I've not looked into the latter in much detail, my use of Audacity is so infrequent currently that I don't think I've updated (or, obviously, switched to something else) since before the hoo-hah. [2] Yet, at least. [3] beyond the telemetry and potential trust issues
teawrecks 4y ago
> I might be interested in telemetry-free builds, and I'd be very thankful for anyone providing them That is the definition of a fork.

rcMgD2BwE72F 4y ago

Could anyone familiar with this add something about Audacium to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audacity_(audio_editor) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audacity_(audio_editor) if it's significant to its history? I tried to understand what happened and if there was a fork but couldn't.

branon 4y ago
If you want to understand even less, check this one out: https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity

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anaganisk 4y ago

Why is error reporting telemetry bad? Im really lost at why this is such a big deal. They're not collecting personal info. They are just looking to make the product better.

rightbyte 4y ago
Unless it is opt-in it is spyware. You can't trust devs that have such bad judgement that they would even think about doing it opt-out with the opt-in data either.
sneak 4y ago
When, where, and how you use your tools is personal info, even if your name is not put on the data.
- Entinel 4y ago
  This is not true legally. If there is no way to link back to you personally then it is not PII.
  - Ruthalas 4y ago
    Correct me if I am wrong, but it's going to be tied to your IP address. So it will be tied to a unique identifier.
    - dspillett 4y ago
      As has been repeatedly argued in cases of IP-rights-holders-vs-sharers, an IP address on its own does not identify an individual. We argue that both ways depending on what suits us at the time, or we are as bad as the music industry flipping between “you bought the CD” and “you licensed the music” when it suits them to.
      - Ruthalas 4y ago
        That's fair. (Though I certainly haven't argued it either way previously myself.) I do think it makes your statement that cannot, "be linked back to you personally", a little less absolute.