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Yeah most of the (IMO) legitimate complaints about the difficulty of k8s are about how hard it is to correctly set up and administer. (Networking setup, making

Yeah most of the (IMO) legitimate complaints about the difficulty of k8s are about how hard it is to correctly set up and administer. (Networking setup, making ingress work, cloud service integration, etc.) Especially when you get into permissions/namespaces and trying to get that right for a decent size organization and trying to configure things for least privilege. Simply using it isn’t that hard IMO.

steveBK123 4y ago
Right but this is the irony I think. If you need the scale provided by k8s, you are probably in a large org. If you are in a large org, you are probably intermediated from running k8s directly by some kind of devops/cloudops team who needs to sort out all the "hard administration stuff" you listed. Setting up a science project at home in your toy AWS account I'm sure is no big deal. But this is true of every tech- "works on my box" is always easier than "doing this in enterprise". The measure of a technology is how easy it is to use in the real production environment.
- trallnag 4y ago
  Being in a large organization does not equal having a dedicated team for running Kubernetes clusters. For example Daimler (the company behind brands like Mercedes) has hundreds of Kubernetes clusters across hundreds of small product teams.
jasonjayr 4y ago
IMHO, the biggest annoyance and difficulty with K8s, is figuring out the helm chart ecosystem with the crazy templated YAML. Some of those documents can get quite convoluted. One family of charts (say, from Bitami) will have one set of conventions for values.yaml, and other families will have a slightly different way of organizing this.
- akvadrako 4y ago
  You can just not use helm. Kustomize, which is built-in, does almost everything needed and is much simpler.
  - itintheory 4y ago
    But then you have an entirely different challenge if you want to use a project that only provides a chart as a deployment package / docs.
    - jpdb 4y ago
      Try checking out kpt, it does packages and hydration. https://kpt.dev/ https://kpt.dev/

steveBK123 4y ago

Right but this is the irony I think. If you need the scale provided by k8s, you are probably in a large org. If you are in a large org, you are probably intermediated from running k8s directly by some kind of devops/cloudops team who needs to sort out all the "hard administration stuff" you listed. Setting up a science project at home in your toy AWS account I'm sure is no big deal. But this is true of every tech- "works on my box" is always easier than "doing this in enterprise". The measure of a technology is how easy it is to use in the real production environment.

trallnag 4y ago
Being in a large organization does not equal having a dedicated team for running Kubernetes clusters. For example Daimler (the company behind brands like Mercedes) has hundreds of Kubernetes clusters across hundreds of small product teams.

jasonjayr 4y ago

IMHO, the biggest annoyance and difficulty with K8s, is figuring out the helm chart ecosystem with the crazy templated YAML. Some of those documents can get quite convoluted. One family of charts (say, from Bitami) will have one set of conventions for values.yaml, and other families will have a slightly different way of organizing this.

akvadrako 4y ago
You can just not use helm. Kustomize, which is built-in, does almost everything needed and is much simpler.
- itintheory 4y ago
  But then you have an entirely different challenge if you want to use a project that only provides a chart as a deployment package / docs.
  - jpdb 4y ago
    Try checking out kpt, it does packages and hydration. https://kpt.dev/ https://kpt.dev/