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I'm a young millenial. I have a number of Gen Z cousins and coworkers who admit that they hate driving, many of which never got a driver's license. I loathe ca

I'm a young millenial. I have a number of Gen Z cousins and coworkers who admit that they hate driving, many of which never got a driver's license. I loathe car dependence too, but I suspect a lot is linked to frugality: I grew up with gas prices approaching $5 a gallon and it certainly didn't feel freeing to pay that to go literally anywhere (plus maintenance and upfront costs and insurance, of course).

GiorgioG 4y ago
"...who admit that they hate driving, many of which never got a driver's license." They hate driving or they don't drive because they don't have a license (and thus how can they hate something they don't do)...which one is it? I don't "love" my vehicle, I'm an adult and a vehicle is just a tool. I enjoy the convenience of being able to move from point A to point B on my own schedule. Are there downsides? Of course. Find me something that has no downsides. Cars have more upside than downside for most people outside of cities with mass transit systems that run like a well oiled machine. Beyond just moving humans, sometimes we need to move other things. I needed several sheets of drywall and plywood a couple of weeks ago. I didn't have to pay some ridiculous $100 delivery fee and wait for delivery on their schedule. I drove 1/2 mile to my local hardware store, threw the materials in the back of my truck and brought it home...total time, 30 minutes.
- vanilla_nut 4y ago
  Those with licenses hate driving but do it (sparingly) through necessity. Those without licenses still had permits at some point, but found driving stressful enough that they never bothered to get a license.
  - GiorgioG 4y ago
    Reading the above it seems like you're combining the dislike/stress of learning to be competent at something (driving) with the dislike for a particular activity (driving). Learning something isn't always fun, even if that something is something you may come to enjoy (or at least be indifferent about) once you gain a certain level of competency with it. If you never get past the learning discomfort it's hard to differentiate the dislike for the activity itself vs the frustrations of being a beginner.
    - vanilla_nut 4y ago
      Respectfully disagreed. I've driven thousands of miles and hundreds or thousands of hours. In high school it was a requirement for living. But there's a big difference between being proficient and enjoying something. I got well past the "learning discomfort" and I still loathed driving. I choose to avoid driving every chance I can, even when it's cold, or rainy, or windy, or it'll take a long time to walk. Because I enjoy being outside and enjoying the world a lot more than being cooped up in a giant expensive metal box. Some people just prefer walking, biking, and public transit over driving. You almost sound like you're describing Stockholm Syndrome, learning to "enjoy" a task that is stressful and unpleasant that you're forced to do every day. I can't think of any activity I'm required to participate in by society that annoys me as much as driving everywhere.

GiorgioG 4y ago

"...who admit that they hate driving, many of which never got a driver's license." They hate driving or they don't drive because they don't have a license (and thus how can they hate something they don't do)...which one is it? I don't "love" my vehicle, I'm an adult and a vehicle is just a tool. I enjoy the convenience of being able to move from point A to point B on my own schedule. Are there downsides? Of course. Find me something that has no downsides. Cars have more upside than downside for most people outside of cities with mass transit systems that run like a well oiled machine. Beyond just moving humans, sometimes we need to move other things. I needed several sheets of drywall and plywood a couple of weeks ago. I didn't have to pay some ridiculous $100 delivery fee and wait for delivery on their schedule. I drove 1/2 mile to my local hardware store, threw the materials in the back of my truck and brought it home...total time, 30 minutes.

vanilla_nut 4y ago
Those with licenses hate driving but do it (sparingly) through necessity. Those without licenses still had permits at some point, but found driving stressful enough that they never bothered to get a license.
- GiorgioG 4y ago
  Reading the above it seems like you're combining the dislike/stress of learning to be competent at something (driving) with the dislike for a particular activity (driving). Learning something isn't always fun, even if that something is something you may come to enjoy (or at least be indifferent about) once you gain a certain level of competency with it. If you never get past the learning discomfort it's hard to differentiate the dislike for the activity itself vs the frustrations of being a beginner.
  - vanilla_nut 4y ago
    Respectfully disagreed. I've driven thousands of miles and hundreds or thousands of hours. In high school it was a requirement for living. But there's a big difference between being proficient and enjoying something. I got well past the "learning discomfort" and I still loathed driving. I choose to avoid driving every chance I can, even when it's cold, or rainy, or windy, or it'll take a long time to walk. Because I enjoy being outside and enjoying the world a lot more than being cooped up in a giant expensive metal box. Some people just prefer walking, biking, and public transit over driving. You almost sound like you're describing Stockholm Syndrome, learning to "enjoy" a task that is stressful and unpleasant that you're forced to do every day. I can't think of any activity I'm required to participate in by society that annoys me as much as driving everywhere.