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Sure, we're not currently hooking up AI to guns (at least not in a civilian context), but cars are also lethal weapons, and multiple companies are competing ver

Sure, we're not currently hooking up AI to guns (at least not in a civilian context), but cars are also lethal weapons, and multiple companies are competing very hard to be allowed to put an AI in charge of one.

analog31 4y ago
People are lethal weapons. The entire Web is organized primarily to manipulate behavior. Convince enough people that person X is so heinous and dangerous that they need to die, and X will die.
- mahathu 4y ago
  >The entire Web is organized primarily to manipulate behavior Source? In my opinion the web is primarily organised to facilitate the exchange and storage of information.
  - bitwize 4y ago
    Oh, you sweet summer child. Did you just arrive from 1996?
    - gunshai 4y ago
      Can you spare us with this insufferable type of comment. The web is not explicitly organized to manipulate behavior.
      - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        How does Twitter, Reddit and 90% of the web make money? From Advertising. Why does anyone spend money on Advertising? To manipulate behaviour.
        gunshai 4y ago
        >Why does anyone spend money on Advertising? To manipulate behavior. ... Or to make people simply aware of your existence Me : You look thirsty, would you like a glass of water. You : It seems like you're manipulating me. The above is the reducto ad absurdum lens you seem to be applying to advertising. Awareness of information is not the same thing as agent coercion. Does the ladder exist you bet. But the proportion of advertising that falls into the former dwarfs the ladder. The self organizing aspect has to do with business models for sustaining infrastructure, it's not emergent fact of the web it self.
        mahathu 4y ago
        True, those things happen but the person I replied to made it sound like the WWW was designed with that purpose in mind
        daveguy 4y ago
        Organized, not designed. And it is very much organized to manipulate behavior. It is a self-organizing system driven by advertising revenue. It's not about the protocols, which were designed to exchange information. It's about how we have organized the higher level functions and purpose of the web.
        ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        Exactly, details of HTTP request are not relevant. What creatir of thw web had in mind 40 years ago is not relevant. The content today and organisations we've built on top are what matters. And they are all manipulation.
- ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
  All the genocides I'm aware of were organized without the internet.
  - mwarkentin 4y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-...
rob74 4y ago
However I sure hope the training data for the car-driving AI will not be "all of the internet".
- ParetoOptimal 4y ago
  > However I sure hope the training data for the car-driving AI will not be "all of the internet". Hey... share-holders wanted ultra-low latency search results without network access... we had to feed the Tesla AI the entire Bing index... who could have known that the AI would take such an interest in Death Race 2000 and start recording it's points total?
xiphias2 4y ago
I wouldn't be so sure. Elon Musk just stopped giving access to Ukraine to directly use Starlink for remotely controlled drone bombs. They probably still have internet access, just 1 more hop away.

analog31 4y ago

People are lethal weapons. The entire Web is organized primarily to manipulate behavior. Convince enough people that person X is so heinous and dangerous that they need to die, and X will die.

mahathu 4y ago
>The entire Web is organized primarily to manipulate behavior Source? In my opinion the web is primarily organised to facilitate the exchange and storage of information.
- bitwize 4y ago
  Oh, you sweet summer child. Did you just arrive from 1996?
  - gunshai 4y ago
    Can you spare us with this insufferable type of comment. The web is not explicitly organized to manipulate behavior.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      How does Twitter, Reddit and 90% of the web make money? From Advertising. Why does anyone spend money on Advertising? To manipulate behaviour.
      - gunshai 4y ago
        >Why does anyone spend money on Advertising? To manipulate behavior. ... Or to make people simply aware of your existence Me : You look thirsty, would you like a glass of water. You : It seems like you're manipulating me. The above is the reducto ad absurdum lens you seem to be applying to advertising. Awareness of information is not the same thing as agent coercion. Does the ladder exist you bet. But the proportion of advertising that falls into the former dwarfs the ladder. The self organizing aspect has to do with business models for sustaining infrastructure, it's not emergent fact of the web it self.
      - mahathu 4y ago
        True, those things happen but the person I replied to made it sound like the WWW was designed with that purpose in mind
        daveguy 4y ago
        Organized, not designed. And it is very much organized to manipulate behavior. It is a self-organizing system driven by advertising revenue. It's not about the protocols, which were designed to exchange information. It's about how we have organized the higher level functions and purpose of the web.
        ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        Exactly, details of HTTP request are not relevant. What creatir of thw web had in mind 40 years ago is not relevant. The content today and organisations we've built on top are what matters. And they are all manipulation.
ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
All the genocides I'm aware of were organized without the internet.
- mwarkentin 4y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-...

rob74 4y ago

However I sure hope the training data for the car-driving AI will not be "all of the internet".

ParetoOptimal 4y ago
> However I sure hope the training data for the car-driving AI will not be "all of the internet". Hey... share-holders wanted ultra-low latency search results without network access... we had to feed the Tesla AI the entire Bing index... who could have known that the AI would take such an interest in Death Race 2000 and start recording it's points total?

xiphias2 4y ago

I wouldn't be so sure. Elon Musk just stopped giving access to Ukraine to directly use Starlink for remotely controlled drone bombs. They probably still have internet access, just 1 more hop away.