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> maintenance is expensive This is largely just nonsense for a lot of modern cars. I’m at 80k in 4 years and have only done oil changes and tyres. My mother o

> maintenance is expensive This is largely just nonsense for a lot of modern cars. I’m at 80k in 4 years and have only done oil changes and tyres. My mother only had her first “big” repair on her car at 140k after 10 years. Cars are more reliable than they’ve ever been.

fundad 4y ago
Oil and tires is expensive
- wara23arish 4y ago
  Oil changes are cheap unless you drive a really fancy car. And also everybody can do their own oil changes if they watch a video or two. Tires last at least 3 years..
- BizarreByte 4y ago
  Oil changes are inexpensive and new cars often have them included for the first few years. On top of that with modern oils the change interval is longer than it used to be. Unless you're driving an obscene amount or doing burnouts everywhere a set of tyres should last 3-4 years. A set for a small sedan really isn't that expensive.
revscat 4y ago
Now add the cost of gas/petrol. For the average American that’s $3000/year. > more reliable So what? They are still a cost that is forced upon us. I don’t want a car. Yet I have to have one whether I like it or not.
- BizarreByte 4y ago
  You can move somewhere you don't require a car. If you're posting on HN that is likely well within your ability. Gas does cost a decent amount, but it's also something you can control. Combine trips, drive less, and drive more tamely. In my opinion the freedom and convenience of a car is worth the cost of fuel.
  - micromacrofoot 4y ago
    > You can move somewhere you don't require a car. There are very few cities where you can get around without a car. Even fewer of those are affordable. This is more problematic as people age. Should elderly drivers retake driving tests? Many argue yes, but no one provides a solution as to what to do when you take their license away. In most cities you'd be screwed.
  - revscat 4y ago
    How about you move, jerk? Why the hell should I have to move because of forced auto ownership?
    - BizarreByte 4y ago
      Because you’ll find in life not everywhere has what you want and not every city is for everyone. The unfortunate reality is if you wait for American cities to become less car dependant you’ll be waiting a very long time. If this is important enough to you in a city there are places you’d be happy. It’s worth remembering that name calling and personal attacks are not allowed on HN.
micromacrofoot 4y ago
> My mother only had her first “big” repair on her car at 140k after 10 years. A full set of tires generally costs more than the average american has in their emergency fund > Cars are more reliable than they’ve ever been Larger and more expensive too, gas prices are also higher than they have been historically.
- BizarreByte 4y ago
  Cars are both bigger and more efficient. A modern Corolla is physically bigger and heavier than a 30 year old one, but gets better fuel mileage. The statistics on emergency funds are sketchy at best, at least here in Canada. I recommend you look at who is funding them and their methodology.

fundad 4y ago

Oil and tires is expensive

wara23arish 4y ago
Oil changes are cheap unless you drive a really fancy car. And also everybody can do their own oil changes if they watch a video or two. Tires last at least 3 years..
BizarreByte 4y ago
Oil changes are inexpensive and new cars often have them included for the first few years. On top of that with modern oils the change interval is longer than it used to be. Unless you're driving an obscene amount or doing burnouts everywhere a set of tyres should last 3-4 years. A set for a small sedan really isn't that expensive.

revscat 4y ago

Now add the cost of gas/petrol. For the average American that’s $3000/year. > more reliable So what? They are still a cost that is forced upon us. I don’t want a car. Yet I have to have one whether I like it or not.

BizarreByte 4y ago
You can move somewhere you don't require a car. If you're posting on HN that is likely well within your ability. Gas does cost a decent amount, but it's also something you can control. Combine trips, drive less, and drive more tamely. In my opinion the freedom and convenience of a car is worth the cost of fuel.
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  > You can move somewhere you don't require a car. There are very few cities where you can get around without a car. Even fewer of those are affordable. This is more problematic as people age. Should elderly drivers retake driving tests? Many argue yes, but no one provides a solution as to what to do when you take their license away. In most cities you'd be screwed.
- revscat 4y ago
  How about you move, jerk? Why the hell should I have to move because of forced auto ownership?
  - BizarreByte 4y ago
    Because you’ll find in life not everywhere has what you want and not every city is for everyone. The unfortunate reality is if you wait for American cities to become less car dependant you’ll be waiting a very long time. If this is important enough to you in a city there are places you’d be happy. It’s worth remembering that name calling and personal attacks are not allowed on HN.

micromacrofoot 4y ago

> My mother only had her first “big” repair on her car at 140k after 10 years. A full set of tires generally costs more than the average american has in their emergency fund > Cars are more reliable than they’ve ever been Larger and more expensive too, gas prices are also higher than they have been historically.

BizarreByte 4y ago
Cars are both bigger and more efficient. A modern Corolla is physically bigger and heavier than a 30 year old one, but gets better fuel mileage. The statistics on emergency funds are sketchy at best, at least here in Canada. I recommend you look at who is funding them and their methodology.