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I guess, just feels weird that someone who is #2 on Twitter describes themselves in this way. Kind of a high bar

nailer 4y ago
Autism can create success. Does Elon seem like someone who is fashionable and deeply prioritises the opinions of others over the truth?
Jensson 4y ago
A person who got ahead even though their social skills are shit probably has a lot of other things going for them, not everyone judges a persons worth just based on their social skills.
- majikaja 4y ago
  I would have judged him to have good social skills if he managed to drum up such a following to help raise money for his ventures. Obviously depends on the crowd
  - Jensson 4y ago
    And a person with a balance disorder can be great at physics, not sure what you think is strange here.
    - majikaja 4y ago
      If he is able to successfully maintain an audience on social media and date celebrities while juggling multiple CEO roles it sounds to me that this disorder is mostly cured.. unless you can prove there is a region of the brain that is responsible for being tactful. He just needs to work on not firing or picking fights with random people when in a bad mood.
      - mrguyorama 4y ago
        No, he's not cured, he's just rich. Money makes A LOT of problems and difficulties and blockers go away. I agree that no level of any autism-like issues should absolve him of being a massive narcissistic cunt though.
      - nailer 4y ago
        I don’t think he does fire people when in a bad mood. As we’ve seen in the last week he fires people when they give ridiculous reasons for poor performance though.
      - Jensson 4y ago
        We call both social skills, but they are very different, just like how balance and theoretical physics are different things. Managing a company or a large crowd requires more intellectual understanding, he has that, managing direct social interactions requires more of the intuitive parts of your brain, he might have a disorder there and it would classify him as having autism. And just to clarify, people with autism can have great theoretical understanding of people, doesn't mean that they perform well in direct social interactions. But this discussions doesn't seem to go anywhere, you hate the guy and want to say he is evil rather than him having a disorder. There isn't much to argue about then.
    - fluoridation 4y ago
      So what you're saying is that it's possible to study human behaviors enough to be able to put up a good performance and convince people to give you money, analogously to how someone with an inner ear condition could study physics enough to become a gymnast? Aren't contradicting yourself?
      - Jensson 4y ago
        The ASD person could write a paper explaining what he wants to do because he has studied English and people enough to understand what to say to make others understand, and when others read that paper they agree and give the ASD person money. Similarly a person with balance disorder can write a paper explaining how balance works, and others can read that paper agree and fund the persons project for making self balancing robots. Doesn't mean the ASD person can fluently navigate social situations, but luckily modern technology means he doesn't have to. When writing papers and proposals you can spend a lot of time thinking and preparing general statements, you can't put that sort of effort into more immediate interactions.
        savryn 4y ago
        > can fluently navigate social situations the vast majority of human beings can not "fluently" navigate social situations either... the very small elite percentage of those who can are the 'social butterflies' that become actors, politicians, perfect 1950s social calendar wives, etc all depending on the culture they live in. They are mesmerizing to watch, and rare like a lovely dancer or magician or elite athlete is rare. This is not normal, it's a special talent at the tail of the bell curve. most ACTUAL normal social interactions involve simultaneous friction of many kinds under the surface-- as people have opposing motives (money, power, sex, pride etc) and limited face-saving default tools to navigate, dismiss, avoid, or paper over that friction. (Maybe that's the difference, autistics suck at using or accepting the use of these shoddy tools as 'fake' and give resistance to all the sub-optimal goings on?? idk) fake small talk and go-to phrases and lame jokes and polite chuckling and fake smiles and managed voice intonation ---these are the bread and butter of getting thru a interaction / dance while trying to still get what you want, balancing long term and short term incentives etc Both people know it's fake and that's okay ----- it's exhausting to normal people too, at the 'end of a long day' it's not the physical toll it is not evolutionarily normal to meet so many goddamn strangers every day and try to smooth over endless bits of friction (esp from so many cultures fundamentally at odds in core values and goals, but that gets into politics, so) 'normal' people deal with others sub-optimally and then let off the steam/ bitch and moan / insults and slurs to get out how they really feel in the safe space at home/ their tribe Places where this is always at max capacity, it bubbles over and you see the failures and stress marks, i.e. strangers screaming at each other in new york traffic, littering and destroying things, unspoken boundaries (turf) being tested, shamelessness in breaking norms and criminality, helplessness/numbness to the disturbing etc Most of the time, 'normal people' don't know what or why they are feeling / acting out the way they are either, they just relieve their tensions any way that comes up, angry at X person but take it out on Y person instead. There are infinite ways to be dysfunctional and very few ways to achieve 'good-vibes only' haha TV shows have skewed the sense of how smooth-talking and self-aware and charming normal real people are...
- andai 4y ago
  Kinda like the peacock's tail being attractive because it is harmful to the individual. The bigger the tail, the better the peacock, if he made it this far without getting eaten!
- nailer 4y ago
  You can actually use autism to have good social skills. It takes a lot of work but once you realise you will never fit in, and have the same issues speaking to a thousand people as you do speaking to one person, you can speak honestly to a thousand people. Very few NTs can do this.

Autism can create success. Does Elon seem like someone who is fashionable and deeply prioritises the opinions of others over the truth?

Jensson 4y ago

A person who got ahead even though their social skills are shit probably has a lot of other things going for them, not everyone judges a persons worth just based on their social skills.

majikaja 4y ago
I would have judged him to have good social skills if he managed to drum up such a following to help raise money for his ventures. Obviously depends on the crowd
- Jensson 4y ago
  And a person with a balance disorder can be great at physics, not sure what you think is strange here.
  - majikaja 4y ago
    If he is able to successfully maintain an audience on social media and date celebrities while juggling multiple CEO roles it sounds to me that this disorder is mostly cured.. unless you can prove there is a region of the brain that is responsible for being tactful. He just needs to work on not firing or picking fights with random people when in a bad mood.
    - mrguyorama 4y ago
      No, he's not cured, he's just rich. Money makes A LOT of problems and difficulties and blockers go away. I agree that no level of any autism-like issues should absolve him of being a massive narcissistic cunt though.
    - nailer 4y ago
      I don’t think he does fire people when in a bad mood. As we’ve seen in the last week he fires people when they give ridiculous reasons for poor performance though.
    - Jensson 4y ago
      We call both social skills, but they are very different, just like how balance and theoretical physics are different things. Managing a company or a large crowd requires more intellectual understanding, he has that, managing direct social interactions requires more of the intuitive parts of your brain, he might have a disorder there and it would classify him as having autism. And just to clarify, people with autism can have great theoretical understanding of people, doesn't mean that they perform well in direct social interactions. But this discussions doesn't seem to go anywhere, you hate the guy and want to say he is evil rather than him having a disorder. There isn't much to argue about then.
  - fluoridation 4y ago
    So what you're saying is that it's possible to study human behaviors enough to be able to put up a good performance and convince people to give you money, analogously to how someone with an inner ear condition could study physics enough to become a gymnast? Aren't contradicting yourself?
    - Jensson 4y ago
      The ASD person could write a paper explaining what he wants to do because he has studied English and people enough to understand what to say to make others understand, and when others read that paper they agree and give the ASD person money. Similarly a person with balance disorder can write a paper explaining how balance works, and others can read that paper agree and fund the persons project for making self balancing robots. Doesn't mean the ASD person can fluently navigate social situations, but luckily modern technology means he doesn't have to. When writing papers and proposals you can spend a lot of time thinking and preparing general statements, you can't put that sort of effort into more immediate interactions.
      - savryn 4y ago
        > can fluently navigate social situations the vast majority of human beings can not "fluently" navigate social situations either... the very small elite percentage of those who can are the 'social butterflies' that become actors, politicians, perfect 1950s social calendar wives, etc all depending on the culture they live in. They are mesmerizing to watch, and rare like a lovely dancer or magician or elite athlete is rare. This is not normal, it's a special talent at the tail of the bell curve. most ACTUAL normal social interactions involve simultaneous friction of many kinds under the surface-- as people have opposing motives (money, power, sex, pride etc) and limited face-saving default tools to navigate, dismiss, avoid, or paper over that friction. (Maybe that's the difference, autistics suck at using or accepting the use of these shoddy tools as 'fake' and give resistance to all the sub-optimal goings on?? idk) fake small talk and go-to phrases and lame jokes and polite chuckling and fake smiles and managed voice intonation ---these are the bread and butter of getting thru a interaction / dance while trying to still get what you want, balancing long term and short term incentives etc Both people know it's fake and that's okay ----- it's exhausting to normal people too, at the 'end of a long day' it's not the physical toll it is not evolutionarily normal to meet so many goddamn strangers every day and try to smooth over endless bits of friction (esp from so many cultures fundamentally at odds in core values and goals, but that gets into politics, so) 'normal' people deal with others sub-optimally and then let off the steam/ bitch and moan / insults and slurs to get out how they really feel in the safe space at home/ their tribe Places where this is always at max capacity, it bubbles over and you see the failures and stress marks, i.e. strangers screaming at each other in new york traffic, littering and destroying things, unspoken boundaries (turf) being tested, shamelessness in breaking norms and criminality, helplessness/numbness to the disturbing etc Most of the time, 'normal people' don't know what or why they are feeling / acting out the way they are either, they just relieve their tensions any way that comes up, angry at X person but take it out on Y person instead. There are infinite ways to be dysfunctional and very few ways to achieve 'good-vibes only' haha TV shows have skewed the sense of how smooth-talking and self-aware and charming normal real people are...
andai 4y ago
Kinda like the peacock's tail being attractive because it is harmful to the individual. The bigger the tail, the better the peacock, if he made it this far without getting eaten!
nailer 4y ago
You can actually use autism to have good social skills. It takes a lot of work but once you realise you will never fit in, and have the same issues speaking to a thousand people as you do speaking to one person, you can speak honestly to a thousand people. Very few NTs can do this.