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> Imagine having toddlers, having to do heavy groceries, and living in a place with difficult landscape or challenging weather. Imagine having a neurological di

> Imagine having toddlers, having to do heavy groceries, and living in a place with difficult landscape or challenging weather. Imagine having a neurological disease or some other disability. I tick all of those boxes and never had a car. I live in the city, walking and using public transit. Toddlers love to walk and to be carried in the stroller. Cars from the suburbs are a constant inconvenience for us living in inner cities: they are a danger to pedestrians and cyclists alike, they make our streets noisy and our air polluted. If people liked the suburbs so much, they would stay there. But no, they want the convenience and services of the city while shoving the externalities of their lifestyle onto other people.

kensai 4y ago
So what do you imply? That (inner) cities will be only for your carless people? Good for you that you tick the boxes and still not use the car. I know of people that cannot manage this. The inner cities are also places were the suburbs people come to work and play. So space in underground parkings or other accomodations is expected. Imagine if the sububs people decided to say to you (inner) city people that you are not allowed to go to their green parks and recreation areas because you are "shoving externalities of your (city) lifestyle to them". Jesus.
- david-gpu 4y ago
  Inner city areas should be designed primarily for the people living there, not for the convenience of suburbanites passing by. Regarding green spaces, they easily coexist in dense walkable neighborhoods.
  - kensai 4y ago
    Thankfully you are not to decide this. Inner city areas contain many offices and amenities that are critical for the whole population, regardless where they live. I hear such outrageous arguments all the time by inner city dwellers. Just because they own or rent a microscopic appartment in a condo, they think they own the city and all must abide to their lifestyle.
- mcv 4y ago
  Car-owners can still come there, just not in their car. Amsterdam has slowly tried to move cars out of the city center over the past couple decades. Residents can still get a parking permit, but parking space has been reduced to make more space for people, and visitors had better park their car at the edge of the city and take public transport into the city center. Or just come by train.
  - kensai 4y ago
    And famous mcv decided for the rest of us, right? No, they are tax-payers, they should be allowed to come with whatever vehicle they want. I agree that cheap public transportation should be offered, but also parking spaces for those who cannot come with public transportation.
    - mcv 4y ago
      I think you're taking me for someone else. I do not make these decisions. I support them, though. I'm a tax payer too, and I live here, and I like the fact that this city is a lot nicer now. And there are parking spaces. Lots of them. At the edge of the city. With fast public transport to the center, and if you combine the two, the parking is incredibly cheap. It's a win for everybody. I have no idea where your weird entitlement comes from.
wara23arish 4y ago
You should advocate to build ivory walls around where you live and only allow people rich enough to live in the city to come in. Im sorry for the snark but your comment seems out of touch and elitist.
- david-gpu 4y ago
  Where I live, it is rich people who live in the suburbs and the people in the inner city are largely those to poor to afford the suburbs. So perhaps with this new context you can rethink where my comment was coming from.

kensai 4y ago

So what do you imply? That (inner) cities will be only for your carless people? Good for you that you tick the boxes and still not use the car. I know of people that cannot manage this. The inner cities are also places were the suburbs people come to work and play. So space in underground parkings or other accomodations is expected. Imagine if the sububs people decided to say to you (inner) city people that you are not allowed to go to their green parks and recreation areas because you are "shoving externalities of your (city) lifestyle to them". Jesus.

david-gpu 4y ago
Inner city areas should be designed primarily for the people living there, not for the convenience of suburbanites passing by. Regarding green spaces, they easily coexist in dense walkable neighborhoods.
- kensai 4y ago
  Thankfully you are not to decide this. Inner city areas contain many offices and amenities that are critical for the whole population, regardless where they live. I hear such outrageous arguments all the time by inner city dwellers. Just because they own or rent a microscopic appartment in a condo, they think they own the city and all must abide to their lifestyle.
mcv 4y ago
Car-owners can still come there, just not in their car. Amsterdam has slowly tried to move cars out of the city center over the past couple decades. Residents can still get a parking permit, but parking space has been reduced to make more space for people, and visitors had better park their car at the edge of the city and take public transport into the city center. Or just come by train.
- kensai 4y ago
  And famous mcv decided for the rest of us, right? No, they are tax-payers, they should be allowed to come with whatever vehicle they want. I agree that cheap public transportation should be offered, but also parking spaces for those who cannot come with public transportation.
  - mcv 4y ago
    I think you're taking me for someone else. I do not make these decisions. I support them, though. I'm a tax payer too, and I live here, and I like the fact that this city is a lot nicer now. And there are parking spaces. Lots of them. At the edge of the city. With fast public transport to the center, and if you combine the two, the parking is incredibly cheap. It's a win for everybody. I have no idea where your weird entitlement comes from.

wara23arish 4y ago

You should advocate to build ivory walls around where you live and only allow people rich enough to live in the city to come in. Im sorry for the snark but your comment seems out of touch and elitist.

david-gpu 4y ago
Where I live, it is rich people who live in the suburbs and the people in the inner city are largely those to poor to afford the suburbs. So perhaps with this new context you can rethink where my comment was coming from.