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Exactly. Elon is open about ASD (he uses the word Asperger's because he’s older), Anthony Hopkins is open about autism too (he can memorise a 7 page script), I
by nailer 4y ago
Exactly. Elon is open about ASD (he uses the word Asperger's because he’s older), Anthony Hopkins is open about autism too (he can memorise a 7 page script), I suspect Tarantino may have it, and half of the people who built the internet.
Anyone that tries to ‘rectify’ me can fuck off.
Edit: as a user of HN since it was Startup News, and as someone who is very much aware of the HN guidelines, 'fuck off' was chosen very carefully towards anyone who would erase my existence.
Hopefully HN has a modicum of empathy for other people and can understand others not wanting to be destroyed.
- foolswisdom 4y agoSometimes I think I'd be quite happy to be "rectified" of ASD... Whether it is correct or not to see it _entirely_ in a disease model (which it's not clear to me, how should the study have been done with a hybrid model?), I have to disagree with the suggestion it shouldn't be seen as an issue.
- DoctorOW 4y agoBut what would "rectified" look like? Autism isn't entirely separable from the things that I think make me the person I am.
- foolswisdom 4y agoI agree it isn't entirely separable. I assume that personality / self develops differently due to the "issue" identified in the study, and if it were "rectified", then it would no longer be a factor. That doesn't mean that you'd wake up the next day as a completely different person. Everyone changes over time, and the prior "self" is still there and you can still choose how to integrate the new "changes". Of course, this is just my imagination, it may not actually be anything like that. But I will double down on the thrust of my original comment, which is that although autism is not simply a "disease" because the self has developed differently, doesn't necessarily mean that we want it to stay.
- goda90 4y agoDon't forget that the S in ASD is for "spectrum". There are parts of this spectrum with people for who ASD is debilitating to their happiness and participation in society. "Rectified" might not mean complete change, but enough to give someone the tools to handle things better.
- nailer 4y agoBut also removes the tools of autism. Neurotypical peopple often lie about things for social convenience, overly value fitting in, have trouble exploring the depths of their interests, and have a poor sense of smell and taste.
- marcellus23 4y agoFor people who are high-functioning, it may be that the benefits of autism you mentioned are worth the downsides. But I think most medium and low-functioning people would not agree with that.
- nailer 4y agoI’m technically level 2, which means there are periods where I cannot communicate. I have at least one level 3 friend that I’m sure would feel the same, I’ll ask her and find out for sure though.
- chasd00 4y agoI would be 100% ok with being cured of ADHD and off spectrum. If I don’t take my meds everything goes haywire for me and everyone around me. I don’t think people realize how “one hand tied behind your back” these things really are.
- cat_plus_plus 4y agoSo be a constant slave to judgement of strangers on how I talk, act and dress rather than tuning out all that useless noise and focusing on the few people and things I truly care about? That would be a hard pass for me. Maybe "ASD" umbrella is part of the problem, I don't have a "sensory integration disorder", I have emotions that tend to go from 0 to 65 with little in between and some other issues like poor facial memory (that would be nice to cure) and tendency to daydream. Maybe that's consistent with Aspergers as originally understood, maybe not. But just for starters, can we stop inventing nonsensical umbrella terms like "ASD" and "AAPI" that serve no purpose except shared victimhood and shaming everyone else for supposed microaggressions? Hawaii is not the same as India, and I don't need a service dog to tell me there is a fire alarm in my building. Maybe then it would be easier for me to work on my unique needs. Like you know how one in a several hundred people finds your responses 100% natural and preferable to superficial norms without necessarily sharing the same personality themselves? Would be great to be able to find them efficiently to maintain a decent social circle rather than stumbling upon one randomly every ten years.
- majikaja 4y agoI have a bit of difficulty trying to understand what ASD means for such individuals as adults. If one is highly intelligent one can just spend time studying people to determine how they respond to situations. I don't really grasp why understanding people is any different from analyzing any other kind of system. I wonder how many ASD diagnoses are made just because someone never learnt social skills properly due to circumstances or lack of effort/interest.
- 112233 4y agoHuh, have you experienced, or have been with a close person experiencing shutdown because environment is too loud, smelly, or there is someone acting in a provoking, humiliating manner? How analythical knowledge of social skills can be of help in that situation? Suppose three armed persons draw a weapon and give you contradicting orders while threatening you. How will deep understanding of those individual orders help you reconcile them and decide how to act?
- aleph_minus_one 4y ago> I have a bit of difficulty trying to understand what ASD means for such individuals as adults. If one is highly intelligent one can just spend time studying people to determine how they respond to situations. I don't really grasp why understanding people is any different from analyzing any other kind of system. I personally see three points: - People often expect that one reacts "intuitively" instead of analyzing the whole situation first - Humans don't behave in an "easy" way like physical systems. So extracting the "hidden laws" is in my opinion nigh impossible. - Even if one tries to find possible hypotheses, one has to run a huge amount of "experiments" to extract rules. What does "running experiments" here mean? Behaving in very weird ways all the time just to obtain data on the behavior of the people. And the required data volume is insane, so it means behaving consciously weirdly rather for decades.
- majikaja 4y agoI genuinely spend a lot of time studying people offline and online. I think someone who can't do this from first principles is probably going to struggle if they try living in a very foreign country or amongst a different subculture of their own nation. Most people can't cope outside their comfort zone.
- cma 4y agoHe said he was never diagnosed so take with a grain of salt.
- dsego 4y agoElon is probably as much ASD as he is an inventor. Going by his behavior (parts that are reported on in public), I can as a lay-person recognize him to have more narcissistic traits, so a personality disorder like NPD or ASPD is more descriptive of him in my mind. There is a good video on yt debunking his claims regarding his diagnosis. https://youtu.be/UCS0SuPsDH4 https://youtu.be/UCS0SuPsDH4
- nailer 4y ago> debunking his claims regarding his diagnosis. https://youtu.be/UCS0SuPsDH4 https://youtu.be/UCS0SuPsDH4 This video has logic like (all from the first 3 minutes): - "Elon wasn't public with his condition before SNL, nor did his mother reveal this deeply personal information, maybe he has it buy maybe he's a sociopath?". - Some people in our YouTube comments section have diagnoses and don't believe Elon. Here are their comments!
- andai 4y agoSo he's just plain weird then? ;)
- dsego 4y agoWhen you have money it's known as "eccentric", ie eccentric billionaire (similarly you have mad scientist, absent-minded professor, wise old man, etc).
- vjust 4y agoWhat did Elon invent? - just curious
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