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> That's academic Are you suggesting that EU citizens are allowed to stay for more than 3 months in Portugal without a residency certificate? > In fact no-one

> That's academic Are you suggesting that EU citizens are allowed to stay for more than 3 months in Portugal without a residency certificate? > In fact no-one tracks who's in the country and how long they stay This is typically completely fine, right up until the moment anyone in authority gets a reason to start asking questions: "When did you arrive in Portugal, mytailorisrich?" "Ah, over three months ago. Can you show me your residency certificate?" <sucks air through teeth> "Can you explain why you didn't get a residency certificate?"

netsharc 4y ago
In practice EU people would be free to lie about when they arrived, your EU passport don't get stamped when entering another EU country. You don't even need a passport, your ID card is sufficient for travelling inside the EU.
- the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
  I have no experience with Portugal, but the vast majority of deporations in Austria are other EU citizens who stay for longer than three months without permanent registration. You need to show proof of being able to support yourself to move to other EU countries.
  - haspok 4y ago
    First they need to show proof that you are staying there for longer than allowed. How do they do that? (Assuming of course that you are staying in hotels and airbnbs, or even at relatives / friends - of course, if you rent and register officially then it is obvious.)
    - the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
      > First they need to show proof that you are staying there for longer than allowed. How do they do that? It's not like police is ramping up people who stand somewhere for longer than N months. These cases typically come up because people end up homeless, are trying to start claiming benefits, are dodging taxes or are otherwise appearing in front of the authorities.
    - popcalc 4y ago
      >First they need to show proof that you are staying there for longer than allowed. How do they do that? At least here in the democratic republic of Hungary: Cell network subscriber logs, ATM/POS flags, the passport number you enter when getting your public transit pass, the filed invoice the phone repair shop fills out when you get your battery replaced. If you're a backpacking 20 year old it's very unlikely anything will happen to you, but if you're running a business or a "digital nomad" making FAANG salaries you'll get a rude awakening one morning with a knock on the door.
      - mytailorisrich 4y ago
        If you're making FAANG salaries you just register and be done with it. The whole discussion is not very relevant and is a nitpick. The point is that anyone in the EEA/Switzerland can freely move to Portugal (or any other country) and that unless you get onto the authorities' radar very negatively you are safe. The vast majority of people will have an income and/or look for work and will be entitled to stay, anyway.
- logifail 4y ago
  > In practice EU people would be free to lie about when they arrived [..] That's fine, until it isn't. > You don't even need a passport, your ID card is sufficient for travelling inside the EU I've slightly lost track of the scenario here. Are we talking about a hypothetical northern European who basically moves to Portugal without telling anyone? Is she registered as self-employed? Does she have a bank account? Does she have any dependents? Does she own a car? Does she have insurance? Does she still have a permanent postal address in the northern European country? Are all those things running as if she were still living in her original EU country, and she's just in Portugal "off the books"? If so, wow. Good luck.
  - haspok 4y ago
    They don't need to be registered, that's the point. Legally, yes, practically not. Because you know, they are coming from somewhere, another EU country, where they have a permanent address, a bank account, a job even (they are just working remotely), a mobile which works for the first few months via free roaming, a car which they take back to their home country for the yearly checks, health insurance which is technically only valid for emergencies in another EU country (but if you are seriously ill you'll probably want to go home anyway)... It may or may not work in all cases (for example, in Italy they like to confiscate cars with foreign license plates that are illegally staying there - don't ask me how they know). But if you imagine an average 20 something, still living with their parents, but wanting to travel across Europe while working remotely, then today this is very easy and straightforward to do. Without telling anyone. Except their parents, of course :)
    - TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
      Portugal recently introduced a separate Digital Nomad visa. In practice it's nonsense to pretend you can just turn up. You need access to the health service, you can't rent without a tax ID, your car needs to be insured, and so on. All of which require registration. And there are occasional ID checks, which will raise questions if you don't have a residency certificate. So even if you want to live out of your car - which sounds like fun - you're still going to leave a paper trail and face some risk of awkward questions and perhaps a fine and/or deportation.
- culopatin 4y ago
  It does when you enter the region from outside the region , which is all that matters. Is not 3 months in Portugal, it’s 3 months in the region.
dotemacs 4y ago
mytailorisrich shurgs. Nothing happens. Or what would happen?

netsharc 4y ago

In practice EU people would be free to lie about when they arrived, your EU passport don't get stamped when entering another EU country. You don't even need a passport, your ID card is sufficient for travelling inside the EU.

the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
I have no experience with Portugal, but the vast majority of deporations in Austria are other EU citizens who stay for longer than three months without permanent registration. You need to show proof of being able to support yourself to move to other EU countries.
- haspok 4y ago
  First they need to show proof that you are staying there for longer than allowed. How do they do that? (Assuming of course that you are staying in hotels and airbnbs, or even at relatives / friends - of course, if you rent and register officially then it is obvious.)
  - the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
    > First they need to show proof that you are staying there for longer than allowed. How do they do that? It's not like police is ramping up people who stand somewhere for longer than N months. These cases typically come up because people end up homeless, are trying to start claiming benefits, are dodging taxes or are otherwise appearing in front of the authorities.
  - popcalc 4y ago
    >First they need to show proof that you are staying there for longer than allowed. How do they do that? At least here in the democratic republic of Hungary: Cell network subscriber logs, ATM/POS flags, the passport number you enter when getting your public transit pass, the filed invoice the phone repair shop fills out when you get your battery replaced. If you're a backpacking 20 year old it's very unlikely anything will happen to you, but if you're running a business or a "digital nomad" making FAANG salaries you'll get a rude awakening one morning with a knock on the door.
    - mytailorisrich 4y ago
      If you're making FAANG salaries you just register and be done with it. The whole discussion is not very relevant and is a nitpick. The point is that anyone in the EEA/Switzerland can freely move to Portugal (or any other country) and that unless you get onto the authorities' radar very negatively you are safe. The vast majority of people will have an income and/or look for work and will be entitled to stay, anyway.
logifail 4y ago
> In practice EU people would be free to lie about when they arrived [..] That's fine, until it isn't. > You don't even need a passport, your ID card is sufficient for travelling inside the EU I've slightly lost track of the scenario here. Are we talking about a hypothetical northern European who basically moves to Portugal without telling anyone? Is she registered as self-employed? Does she have a bank account? Does she have any dependents? Does she own a car? Does she have insurance? Does she still have a permanent postal address in the northern European country? Are all those things running as if she were still living in her original EU country, and she's just in Portugal "off the books"? If so, wow. Good luck.
- haspok 4y ago
  They don't need to be registered, that's the point. Legally, yes, practically not. Because you know, they are coming from somewhere, another EU country, where they have a permanent address, a bank account, a job even (they are just working remotely), a mobile which works for the first few months via free roaming, a car which they take back to their home country for the yearly checks, health insurance which is technically only valid for emergencies in another EU country (but if you are seriously ill you'll probably want to go home anyway)... It may or may not work in all cases (for example, in Italy they like to confiscate cars with foreign license plates that are illegally staying there - don't ask me how they know). But if you imagine an average 20 something, still living with their parents, but wanting to travel across Europe while working remotely, then today this is very easy and straightforward to do. Without telling anyone. Except their parents, of course :)
  - TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
    Portugal recently introduced a separate Digital Nomad visa. In practice it's nonsense to pretend you can just turn up. You need access to the health service, you can't rent without a tax ID, your car needs to be insured, and so on. All of which require registration. And there are occasional ID checks, which will raise questions if you don't have a residency certificate. So even if you want to live out of your car - which sounds like fun - you're still going to leave a paper trail and face some risk of awkward questions and perhaps a fine and/or deportation.
culopatin 4y ago
It does when you enter the region from outside the region , which is all that matters. Is not 3 months in Portugal, it’s 3 months in the region.

dotemacs 4y ago

mytailorisrich shurgs. Nothing happens. Or what would happen?