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This is a sensitive topic and I think your reply is not well thought out. There are a few topics such as reproductive health and medical health screening (i.e.

This is a sensitive topic and I think your reply is not well thought out. There are a few topics such as reproductive health and medical health screening (i.e. Trans-women can get prostate cancer) where science has to study links and possible causation vs correlation without being silenced because it sounds similar to what bigots might say. If medical scientists are too scared to study health issues around these topics because they are worried about being called a bigot then I can't imagine that will turn out well for everyone.

maxbaines 4y ago
I have already acknowledged below, my comment was not well thought out, in that I could have caused offence to the original commenter with some words, but I absolutely stand by the rest of it. I also do not agree with the remainder of your what you say, and a bizarre comment in brackets I won't repeat. There are plenty of times today and throughout history Science has been bigoted or naive, and as such should not be free to explore any subject uncontrolled or deemed insensitive to society.
- badcppdev 4y ago
  I was criticising you but didn't mean to offend. I was sure that my bracketed comment was a real thing that doctors have to be aware of and was an example of where science and medicine need to be able to treat a person properly even if they have transitioned. You have really confused me and now I'm worried that this medical issue is taboo or I'm mistaken?
  - linminal 4y ago
    There was nothing wrong with your bracketed comment. The prostate gland does remain intact even for those males who have fully transitioned with cosmetic genital surgery. Though there is also some indication that those who take anti-androgen therapy and estrogens have a somewhat lower risk of prostate cancer. It's still an open area of research due to there not being much data.
  - maxbaines 4y ago
    To be clear you have not offended me in any way, I simply disagree.
    - badcppdev 4y ago
      I am really confused. Specifically regarding whether you disagree with my general points which I would 100% totally understand or the bracketed statement which would leave me doubting my understanding of any of this topic. I'd like to say the statement I'm querying is really relevant to my career as I work on back-end systems and my understanding is that it is really important for medical databases to be expanded so that doctors can schedule the right type of medical screening for somebody based on their body. I'm also aware that in certain parts of the world people might not want information stored in databases because they fear persecution based on that stored data.
      - maxbaines 4y ago
        Hi also I work in software and manufacturing but like most of us on here have an appreciation for Science and its methods, as well as other topics not in our domain, it's what makes HN great. Im confused now also. We should all be careful and sensitive to issues effecting others, and I think by your response you agree with this, well done, lets all keep it up, the world will become a better place for minorities of any kind. This post was more active for me than I expected, really due to an offensive comment I made about the original commenter so I thought I should correct where I made a mistake but also defend my general point of view in my original comment, our discussion got caught up in the rest which was unfair to your point of view. I am going to contradict my original comment to you: I absolutely agree with you on 'There are a few topics such as reproductive health and medical health screening ... where science has to study links and possible causation vs correlation' I do also think unless we are experts in the domain, we need to be careful in referencing an example because any issue can be complex and varied individual to individual, we can also cause offence with such, without realising it. so I agree my 'bizarre; comment was not the correct way to explain this. I also agree broadly with 'If medical scientists are too scared to study health issues around these topics because they are worried about being called a bigot then I can't imagine that will turn out well for everyone.' However I also think Science does need oversight and agreement from society on what is acceptable or not, as history has often shown left uncontrolled bad things can happen. There's bigots in Science right, same as anywhere. Thanks for questioning me, pleasure talking with you.

maxbaines 4y ago

I have already acknowledged below, my comment was not well thought out, in that I could have caused offence to the original commenter with some words, but I absolutely stand by the rest of it. I also do not agree with the remainder of your what you say, and a bizarre comment in brackets I won't repeat. There are plenty of times today and throughout history Science has been bigoted or naive, and as such should not be free to explore any subject uncontrolled or deemed insensitive to society.

badcppdev 4y ago
I was criticising you but didn't mean to offend. I was sure that my bracketed comment was a real thing that doctors have to be aware of and was an example of where science and medicine need to be able to treat a person properly even if they have transitioned. You have really confused me and now I'm worried that this medical issue is taboo or I'm mistaken?
- linminal 4y ago
  There was nothing wrong with your bracketed comment. The prostate gland does remain intact even for those males who have fully transitioned with cosmetic genital surgery. Though there is also some indication that those who take anti-androgen therapy and estrogens have a somewhat lower risk of prostate cancer. It's still an open area of research due to there not being much data.
- maxbaines 4y ago
  To be clear you have not offended me in any way, I simply disagree.
  - badcppdev 4y ago
    I am really confused. Specifically regarding whether you disagree with my general points which I would 100% totally understand or the bracketed statement which would leave me doubting my understanding of any of this topic. I'd like to say the statement I'm querying is really relevant to my career as I work on back-end systems and my understanding is that it is really important for medical databases to be expanded so that doctors can schedule the right type of medical screening for somebody based on their body. I'm also aware that in certain parts of the world people might not want information stored in databases because they fear persecution based on that stored data.
    - maxbaines 4y ago
      Hi also I work in software and manufacturing but like most of us on here have an appreciation for Science and its methods, as well as other topics not in our domain, it's what makes HN great. Im confused now also. We should all be careful and sensitive to issues effecting others, and I think by your response you agree with this, well done, lets all keep it up, the world will become a better place for minorities of any kind. This post was more active for me than I expected, really due to an offensive comment I made about the original commenter so I thought I should correct where I made a mistake but also defend my general point of view in my original comment, our discussion got caught up in the rest which was unfair to your point of view. I am going to contradict my original comment to you: I absolutely agree with you on 'There are a few topics such as reproductive health and medical health screening ... where science has to study links and possible causation vs correlation' I do also think unless we are experts in the domain, we need to be careful in referencing an example because any issue can be complex and varied individual to individual, we can also cause offence with such, without realising it. so I agree my 'bizarre; comment was not the correct way to explain this. I also agree broadly with 'If medical scientists are too scared to study health issues around these topics because they are worried about being called a bigot then I can't imagine that will turn out well for everyone.' However I also think Science does need oversight and agreement from society on what is acceptable or not, as history has often shown left uncontrolled bad things can happen. There's bigots in Science right, same as anywhere. Thanks for questioning me, pleasure talking with you.