I agree, and this is why I think you can start the argument by framing it in first principles. If you have fundamentally different premises, you at least need

I agree, and this is why I think you can start the argument by framing it in first principles. If you have fundamentally different premises, you at least need to create doubt in the opponent and hopefully get them to (eventually, possibly after dozens of encounters/debates) to check their premises. Fundamentally, can an entire industry that makes art and music be rotten to the core. Probably not, it is full of people like us would are making things and doing things and building careers, and a lot of them are probably also concerned about thxe future of the Internet with SOPA. So we have to respect our audience and opponent's attention span and intelligence, and get some simple effective messages distributed before we miss the window of opportunity.