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Property crime is up everywhere. Nothing societally has changed, so I think the onus is on you to prove they aren’t just sitting there twiddling their thumbs. W

Property crime is up everywhere. Nothing societally has changed, so I think the onus is on you to prove they aren’t just sitting there twiddling their thumbs. With their powerful unions and patterns of “blue flu”, the police don’t exactly have a great track record of response (not even going into the weeds of armed responses gone awry).

zdragnar 4y ago
Here is some super trivial googling for you: https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/wa/seattle/crime https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/wa/seattle/crime Over 46k crimes (property and violent) 1200 officers funded, though I've seen other stats that there are only 940 active employed 800k 911 calls per year https://www.seattle.gov/police/about-us/about-the-department/department-fact-sheet https://www.seattle.gov/police/about-us/about-the-department... That's 3-ish 911 responses per day, assuming an average of one officer for every call. Add on top of that all of the other things happening, and you would need to be wilfully blind to believe they are sitting around with nothing better to do than look for a stolen bike.
- yodsanklai 4y ago
  46k crimes, that would be about 120 crimes per day for 1000 officers, probably including a lot of smaller crimes such as stolen bikes. If they never investigate a stolen bike (esp. in that case where the stolen bike was localized), they make bike stealing de facto legal. That being said, I understand they need to prioritize.
- dclowd9901 4y ago
  911 calls can’t be used in this metric since they encompass non-police emergencies and non-emergencies as well. So going off reported crimes, we have 1/10 of a crime per officer per day, or maybe better put, 1 crime per 10 days per officer. So tell me more about how they’re not twiddling their thumbs. Even accounting for administrative work (court appearances, paperwork, etc), that is a ridiculously low crime response rate.
  - zdragnar 4y ago
    You can't seriously write off 800,000 emergency calls because "maybe not all of them require police response", and then presume that 9/10 police officers sit around twiddling their thumbs. This is pure intellectual dishonesty. Edit: Also, there's more that police do than administrative paperwork and investigating crime. I'd hazard a guess that a plurality, if not a majority, of police officers on any given shift are walking a beat, patrolling, enforcing traffic laws (i.e. speed limits), car crashes, etc.
    - vkou 4y ago
      SPD hasn't done any meaningful traffic enforcement for years. The roads are an utter madhouse. They might show up to a car crash, though.

zdragnar 4y ago

Here is some super trivial googling for you: https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/wa/seattle/crime https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/wa/seattle/crime Over 46k crimes (property and violent) 1200 officers funded, though I've seen other stats that there are only 940 active employed 800k 911 calls per year https://www.seattle.gov/police/about-us/about-the-department/department-fact-sheet https://www.seattle.gov/police/about-us/about-the-department... That's 3-ish 911 responses per day, assuming an average of one officer for every call. Add on top of that all of the other things happening, and you would need to be wilfully blind to believe they are sitting around with nothing better to do than look for a stolen bike.

yodsanklai 4y ago
46k crimes, that would be about 120 crimes per day for 1000 officers, probably including a lot of smaller crimes such as stolen bikes. If they never investigate a stolen bike (esp. in that case where the stolen bike was localized), they make bike stealing de facto legal. That being said, I understand they need to prioritize.
dclowd9901 4y ago
911 calls can’t be used in this metric since they encompass non-police emergencies and non-emergencies as well. So going off reported crimes, we have 1/10 of a crime per officer per day, or maybe better put, 1 crime per 10 days per officer. So tell me more about how they’re not twiddling their thumbs. Even accounting for administrative work (court appearances, paperwork, etc), that is a ridiculously low crime response rate.
- zdragnar 4y ago
  You can't seriously write off 800,000 emergency calls because "maybe not all of them require police response", and then presume that 9/10 police officers sit around twiddling their thumbs. This is pure intellectual dishonesty. Edit: Also, there's more that police do than administrative paperwork and investigating crime. I'd hazard a guess that a plurality, if not a majority, of police officers on any given shift are walking a beat, patrolling, enforcing traffic laws (i.e. speed limits), car crashes, etc.
  - vkou 4y ago
    SPD hasn't done any meaningful traffic enforcement for years. The roads are an utter madhouse. They might show up to a car crash, though.