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> What idiot really believes that Russia of all people would want to kill their own golden goose ? Putin killed his own golden goose by invading Ukraine. Start

by rurp 4y ago

> What idiot really believes that Russia of all people would want to kill their own golden goose ? Putin killed his own golden goose by invading Ukraine. Starting this war has been a disaster for Russia's economic future. Putin either doesn't care about that, or drastically miscalculated. Blowing up the pipeline would be consistent with either mindset.

foverzar 4y ago
> Starting this war has been a disaster for Russia's economic future. Or maybe not. I feel like a lot of this comes from misjudging sale of crude resources as "economic future" and a wishful thinking that us Russians are just brainless dummies, incapable of anything else. I've seen the same rhetorics back in 2014 when the first sanctions kicked in, and that lead to automatic protectionist policy and economic growth - new projects, new businesses, new supply chains. One has to realize that current globalized supply chains weren't benefiting Russia at all But that's just my 2 cents.
stephc_int13 4y ago
Blowing up the pipeline is not consistent with either mindset. Putin very likely miscalculated his "special operation", that does not mean he is completely crazy or stupid.
fwungy 4y ago
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- nkozyra 4y ago
  > Putin was not going to tolerate a NATO member a few minutes of rocket time from Moscow. But ... that's already there and has been for a long time. And now two more neighbors have pledged to join. If the intent was really to stop or reduce the neighboring countries who are NATO members, it hasn't really worked out that well.
  - fwungy 4y ago
    I follow both the NYT and Wapo, and The New Atlas, Douglas MacGregor, and Alexander Mercouris. The latter group has been far more accurate in their predictions and their analysis is far more logically composed.
    - IIAOPSW 4y ago
      Mice have a gestation period of about 8 weeks. (your response is an irrelevant non sequitur)
      - red-iron-pine 4y ago
        All politics threads on HN are full of shillbots, and very likely bots now that GPT-3 is big. It's not as well moderated or as complex as reddit w/r/t brigading, fighting obvious shills, or obfuscating upvotes, etc. Not that reddit is particularly immune to this, either. I wouldn't trust jack shit about politics on HN. Details about the latest implementation of systemd? Absolutely. Anything not STEM? Dubious at best.
        IIAOPSW 4y ago
        This is a very dangerous line of thinking because it lets you dismiss any comment you don't agree with as a bot or a shill without having to address the merits of it. Its an unfalsifiable yet plausible suspicion to have, which makes it dangerously tempting to believe on spurious evidence. The way I see it, our only good option is to engage with it anyway (provided they aren't gaming the platform itself via spam or similar). An argument isn't inherently bad or wrong because GPT3 wrote it, and the volume of these types of comments isn't insurmountable. Maybe the guy I was replying to was a bot. Maybe he was a human who fails the Turing test. In either case it was worth the time I spent pantsing him for the benefit of the discourse.

by rurp 4y ago

foverzar 4y ago

> Starting this war has been a disaster for Russia's economic future. Or maybe not. I feel like a lot of this comes from misjudging sale of crude resources as "economic future" and a wishful thinking that us Russians are just brainless dummies, incapable of anything else. I've seen the same rhetorics back in 2014 when the first sanctions kicked in, and that lead to automatic protectionist policy and economic growth - new projects, new businesses, new supply chains. One has to realize that current globalized supply chains weren't benefiting Russia at all But that's just my 2 cents.

stephc_int13 4y ago

Blowing up the pipeline is not consistent with either mindset. Putin very likely miscalculated his "special operation", that does not mean he is completely crazy or stupid.

fwungy 4y ago

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nkozyra 4y ago
> Putin was not going to tolerate a NATO member a few minutes of rocket time from Moscow. But ... that's already there and has been for a long time. And now two more neighbors have pledged to join. If the intent was really to stop or reduce the neighboring countries who are NATO members, it hasn't really worked out that well.
- fwungy 4y ago
  I follow both the NYT and Wapo, and The New Atlas, Douglas MacGregor, and Alexander Mercouris. The latter group has been far more accurate in their predictions and their analysis is far more logically composed.
  - IIAOPSW 4y ago
    Mice have a gestation period of about 8 weeks. (your response is an irrelevant non sequitur)
    - red-iron-pine 4y ago
      All politics threads on HN are full of shillbots, and very likely bots now that GPT-3 is big. It's not as well moderated or as complex as reddit w/r/t brigading, fighting obvious shills, or obfuscating upvotes, etc. Not that reddit is particularly immune to this, either. I wouldn't trust jack shit about politics on HN. Details about the latest implementation of systemd? Absolutely. Anything not STEM? Dubious at best.
      - IIAOPSW 4y ago
        This is a very dangerous line of thinking because it lets you dismiss any comment you don't agree with as a bot or a shill without having to address the merits of it. Its an unfalsifiable yet plausible suspicion to have, which makes it dangerously tempting to believe on spurious evidence. The way I see it, our only good option is to engage with it anyway (provided they aren't gaming the platform itself via spam or similar). An argument isn't inherently bad or wrong because GPT3 wrote it, and the volume of these types of comments isn't insurmountable. Maybe the guy I was replying to was a bot. Maybe he was a human who fails the Turing test. In either case it was worth the time I spent pantsing him for the benefit of the discourse.