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Don't forget the US breach of the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe and the Defensive Alliance NATO (and Clinton) deposing Ghadafi after he got rid

Don't forget the US breach of the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe and the Defensive Alliance NATO (and Clinton) deposing Ghadafi after he got rid of his nukes.

thephyber 4y ago
“Deposing Ghadafi after he got rid of his nukes” (1) Gaddafi never had nukes, only nuclear material, technology, and some parts of the tech pipeline. (2) Gaddafi never abided by the 2003 treaty and retained some of the nuclear material and equipment (which he had already agreed to export) as of 2009. Even after the 2011 revolution, the IAEA confirmed that Libya still had yellow cake after the revolution (3) NATO waited until after Libya was already in civil war to engage. I’m not saying NATO was in the right, but you are wrong on most of the facts and Gaddafi didn’t abide by the treaty, so I’m not sure why you would cite that as an example. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_Libya https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_Libya
- hndamien 4y ago
  The majority of my statement is accurate, from your own link. 1) Mostly wrong by turn of phrase? Please. "Got rid of his nukes" or "Got rid of his nuclear program that was 3 - 7 years from successfully building a nuclear weapon." "Gaddafi increasingly sought to normalize relations with the United States, initially focusing on the lifting of U.S. sanctions on Libya." 2) Eventually Gaddafi grew disillusioned with the things that the West offered Libya.[6] He considered it too small of a reward for Libya for giving up its nuclear weapons program.[6] Gaddafi was also dissatisfied at the United States' slowness in normalizing relations with Libya and in pressuring Israel to denuclearize.[6] According to Gaddafi's son Saif, this was one of the main reasons why Gaddafi temporarily suspended shipping Libya's enriched uranium abroad in 2009 like he promised he would in 2003.[6] Gaddafi wanted to use the remains of his nuclear weapons program to gain more leverage.[6] 3)NATO's 2011 intervention in Libya (which led to Gaddafi's overthrow and killing at the hands of anti-Gaddafi forces) would make Iran, North Korea, and possibly other countries more reluctant to give up their nuclear programs and/or nuclear weapons due to the risk of being weakened and/or double-crossed as a result.[6][15]. The "civil war" was fomented by clandestine CIA action providing arms to Libyan opposition as reported by the Washngton Post. "During the early phases of the Libyan air strike offensive, paramilitary operatives assisted in the recovery of a U.S. Air Force pilot who had crashed due to mechanical problems.[8] There was also speculation in The Washington Post that President Obama issued a covert action finding in March 2011 that authorized the CIA to carry out a clandestine effort to provide arms and support to the Libyan opposition.[9]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Libya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Libya

Don't forget the US breach of the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe and the Defensive Alliance NATO (and Clinton) deposing Ghadafi after he got rid of his nukes.

thephyber 4y ago

“Deposing Ghadafi after he got rid of his nukes” (1) Gaddafi never had nukes, only nuclear material, technology, and some parts of the tech pipeline. (2) Gaddafi never abided by the 2003 treaty and retained some of the nuclear material and equipment (which he had already agreed to export) as of 2009. Even after the 2011 revolution, the IAEA confirmed that Libya still had yellow cake after the revolution (3) NATO waited until after Libya was already in civil war to engage. I’m not saying NATO was in the right, but you are wrong on most of the facts and Gaddafi didn’t abide by the treaty, so I’m not sure why you would cite that as an example. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_Libya https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_Libya

hndamien 4y ago
The majority of my statement is accurate, from your own link. 1) Mostly wrong by turn of phrase? Please. "Got rid of his nukes" or "Got rid of his nuclear program that was 3 - 7 years from successfully building a nuclear weapon." "Gaddafi increasingly sought to normalize relations with the United States, initially focusing on the lifting of U.S. sanctions on Libya." 2) Eventually Gaddafi grew disillusioned with the things that the West offered Libya.[6] He considered it too small of a reward for Libya for giving up its nuclear weapons program.[6] Gaddafi was also dissatisfied at the United States' slowness in normalizing relations with Libya and in pressuring Israel to denuclearize.[6] According to Gaddafi's son Saif, this was one of the main reasons why Gaddafi temporarily suspended shipping Libya's enriched uranium abroad in 2009 like he promised he would in 2003.[6] Gaddafi wanted to use the remains of his nuclear weapons program to gain more leverage.[6] 3)NATO's 2011 intervention in Libya (which led to Gaddafi's overthrow and killing at the hands of anti-Gaddafi forces) would make Iran, North Korea, and possibly other countries more reluctant to give up their nuclear programs and/or nuclear weapons due to the risk of being weakened and/or double-crossed as a result.[6][15]. The "civil war" was fomented by clandestine CIA action providing arms to Libyan opposition as reported by the Washngton Post. "During the early phases of the Libyan air strike offensive, paramilitary operatives assisted in the recovery of a U.S. Air Force pilot who had crashed due to mechanical problems.[8] There was also speculation in The Washington Post that President Obama issued a covert action finding in March 2011 that authorized the CIA to carry out a clandestine effort to provide arms and support to the Libyan opposition.[9]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Libya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Libya