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They really do re-spawn if being homeless now means being given a nice, new, clean place to live. Why wouldn’t they?

by encoderer 4y ago

Larrikin 4y ago
Do you really think people with housing would become homeless in hopes of getting a new place?
- encoderer 4y ago
  I think there are a lot of people actually living with relatives and friends who would “become homeless”
- celestialcheese 4y ago
  No, but people are mobile, and the houseless are also people who communicate through the internet and share where assistance is available. If free, safe lodging is available without restrictions, demand will quickly outstrip supply with folks moving from other cities (LA, Seattle, Portland, etc) to fill the available rooms. It's a $50 bus ticket, city officials will likely fund these tickets for them to get to SF to take advantage of this. SF had programs for this exact thing to get homeless out of SF [1] 1 - https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvg7ba/instead-of-helping-homeless-people-cities-are-bussing-them-out-of-town https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvg7ba/instead-of-helping-ho...
  - ryan_lane 4y ago
    Which means every city should do this to reduce their homeless population. The "don't do it because homeless people will move from elsewhere to get this benefit" is a race to the bottom. Housing homeless people reduces overall homelessness. If we do it enough, everyone will be housed. Part of this is lowering housing prices, another part of this is housing people who can't house themselves (for various reasons).
    - encoderer 4y ago
      Giving away $300-500k condos is the race to the bottom.
pwinnski 4y ago
There's so much evidence from research on unhoused populations and housing-first programs in the US and around the world, but you've got "why wouldn't they" on your side, so all of that evidence should probably be ignored.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  What are some other examples of cases where we don't get more of what we subsidize?

They really do re-spawn if being homeless now means being given a nice, new, clean place to live. Why wouldn’t they?

Larrikin 4y ago

Do you really think people with housing would become homeless in hopes of getting a new place?

encoderer 4y ago
I think there are a lot of people actually living with relatives and friends who would “become homeless”
celestialcheese 4y ago
No, but people are mobile, and the houseless are also people who communicate through the internet and share where assistance is available. If free, safe lodging is available without restrictions, demand will quickly outstrip supply with folks moving from other cities (LA, Seattle, Portland, etc) to fill the available rooms. It's a $50 bus ticket, city officials will likely fund these tickets for them to get to SF to take advantage of this. SF had programs for this exact thing to get homeless out of SF [1] 1 - https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvg7ba/instead-of-helping-homeless-people-cities-are-bussing-them-out-of-town https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvg7ba/instead-of-helping-ho...
- ryan_lane 4y ago
  Which means every city should do this to reduce their homeless population. The "don't do it because homeless people will move from elsewhere to get this benefit" is a race to the bottom. Housing homeless people reduces overall homelessness. If we do it enough, everyone will be housed. Part of this is lowering housing prices, another part of this is housing people who can't house themselves (for various reasons).
  - encoderer 4y ago
    Giving away $300-500k condos is the race to the bottom.

pwinnski 4y ago

There's so much evidence from research on unhoused populations and housing-first programs in the US and around the world, but you've got "why wouldn't they" on your side, so all of that evidence should probably be ignored.

CamperBob2 4y ago
What are some other examples of cases where we don't get more of what we subsidize?