3 ms·

I agree, but you can’t just let a drug addicted person have tax-payer subsidized housing without also requiring that addicted person to attend drug addiction th

I agree, but you can’t just let a drug addicted person have tax-payer subsidized housing without also requiring that addicted person to attend drug addiction therapy. I live in Portland, where the overwhelming majority of homeless people deny housing because of this fact. Because they are required to get help. I absolutely do not think providing more “free” housing is the answer.

ipaddr 4y ago
If they don't follow these rules they are on their own? So you end up with homeless people who go to central high traffic areas to remain visible and ask for charity. That's what you have now. Putting them in housing solves a few problems. You know where they are and have a contact and can offer lifelines. Requiring people to get help and removing more control over their lives reduces trust, likely hood of success and they end up hiding the fact. You need to constantly watch them now or drug test them. Easier to live on the street than in your world
gowld 4y ago
Why? What's wrong with a drug-addicted person making their little apartment gross?
- fragmede 4y ago
  Watch an episode or two of Hoarders and tell me it seems delightful to just let people live that way. If we're giving people housing because it's not okay for them to live that way, then I can't accept that also it's okay for people to live in such squalor simply because they have a roof over their head. That's just a personal opinion though. eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WYO8fL_iMs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WYO8fL_iMs https://www.aetv.com/shows/hoarders https://www.aetv.com/shows/hoarders
  - comte7092 4y ago
    What does that have to do with people having a drug addiction? Are there people who goad and have addictions? Sure. It’s not like that show is 100% drug addicts though. In fact that show is literally 0% homeless people. So it’s a complete red herring.
- ryanSrich 4y ago
  It’s not that it’s gross. It’s legitimately a threat to the city. Not just rats and other diseases. But large scale fires are a very real problem when people are cooking meth inside of high rise buildings. I have several fire fighter friends that have had multiple calls in a single evening from some of these places that provide free homeless housing. It’s a very real drain and safety threat to the city.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    Hell there was one just last week (not in a high rise). https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-house-drug-lab-explosion-fire-sunset-district-neighbors/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-hous...
comte7092 4y ago
People deny shelters because you have to live under ridiculous rules that have very little to do with drugs in addition to the rules around drugs. What kind of an offer is “come in here, sleep in a crowded room filled with a bunch of other people you may have conflict with, with no place to store your stuff, oh and you’ll be kicked out during the day and have to take all your shit with you”. And housing doesn’t need to be free, it just needs to be relatively cheap. It wasn’t that long ago that you could afford a basic apartment on a part time job.

ipaddr 4y ago

If they don't follow these rules they are on their own? So you end up with homeless people who go to central high traffic areas to remain visible and ask for charity. That's what you have now. Putting them in housing solves a few problems. You know where they are and have a contact and can offer lifelines. Requiring people to get help and removing more control over their lives reduces trust, likely hood of success and they end up hiding the fact. You need to constantly watch them now or drug test them. Easier to live on the street than in your world

gowld 4y ago

Why? What's wrong with a drug-addicted person making their little apartment gross?

fragmede 4y ago
Watch an episode or two of Hoarders and tell me it seems delightful to just let people live that way. If we're giving people housing because it's not okay for them to live that way, then I can't accept that also it's okay for people to live in such squalor simply because they have a roof over their head. That's just a personal opinion though. eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WYO8fL_iMs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WYO8fL_iMs https://www.aetv.com/shows/hoarders https://www.aetv.com/shows/hoarders
- comte7092 4y ago
  What does that have to do with people having a drug addiction? Are there people who goad and have addictions? Sure. It’s not like that show is 100% drug addicts though. In fact that show is literally 0% homeless people. So it’s a complete red herring.
ryanSrich 4y ago
It’s not that it’s gross. It’s legitimately a threat to the city. Not just rats and other diseases. But large scale fires are a very real problem when people are cooking meth inside of high rise buildings. I have several fire fighter friends that have had multiple calls in a single evening from some of these places that provide free homeless housing. It’s a very real drain and safety threat to the city.
- fragmede 4y ago
  Hell there was one just last week (not in a high rise). https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-house-drug-lab-explosion-fire-sunset-district-neighbors/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-hous...

comte7092 4y ago

People deny shelters because you have to live under ridiculous rules that have very little to do with drugs in addition to the rules around drugs. What kind of an offer is “come in here, sleep in a crowded room filled with a bunch of other people you may have conflict with, with no place to store your stuff, oh and you’ll be kicked out during the day and have to take all your shit with you”. And housing doesn’t need to be free, it just needs to be relatively cheap. It wasn’t that long ago that you could afford a basic apartment on a part time job.