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> etc. You don't need to make 30 examples, your point is not hard to understand. And you are arguing with a straw-men, I never argued that this is the best wo

> etc. You don't need to make 30 examples, your point is not hard to understand. And you are arguing with a straw-men, I never argued that this is the best world. Nor do I think an 'unregulated' market would lead to what you suggest, as we already see in the electric charging station market. Almost all non-Tesla stations are shared. And Tesla long term would likely do so eventually to, even without govenrment intensive. > Every time an auto manufacturing company got merged or went defunct, we'd just close down all those old legacy gas stations At this point you are just making idiotic argument. Like seriously? Have you ever heard of liquidation and reallocation of resources. If a major network of industry exists that comes up for sale, like the other would bid on it and a modify it for their standard.

vel0city 4y ago
So, do you agree its probably not in the consumer's best long term interest for charging networks to be tightly coupled with single manufacturers and we should probably disincentivize such structures from existing? Do you think Tesla keeping their network proprietary for long ultimately increased or decreased overall EV sales in the past few years? Do you think more or fewer Bolts and Leafs would have been sold if they would have been able to use a true open standard of Tesla chargers? Imagine how many consumers worries would be alleviated if Tesla allowed all cars to charge on their network today. Wouldn't that be great? Which is more harmful to consumers: a proprietary network or an open one? Imagine if Ford bought out all the prime gas station locations along highway corridors and made them Ford only gas stations. A true win for consumers. Maybe we shouldn't allow single corporations to control important infrastructure with proprietary standards?
- panick21_ 4y ago
  My point has always been that if government want's to create infrastructure for everybody, those companies that have done their own infrastructure and have done the initial investment should be rewarded and those that didn't and just want to profit from the government investment should be forced to pay large amounts of money. Now the government is investing its own money and this simply rewards companies like Toyota who have done nothing and will profit the most. Specially because its of foreign company, that makes it even worse. So by all means, create infrastructure for everybody, but take into account how the market got to the point it is.

vel0city 4y ago

So, do you agree its probably not in the consumer's best long term interest for charging networks to be tightly coupled with single manufacturers and we should probably disincentivize such structures from existing? Do you think Tesla keeping their network proprietary for long ultimately increased or decreased overall EV sales in the past few years? Do you think more or fewer Bolts and Leafs would have been sold if they would have been able to use a true open standard of Tesla chargers? Imagine how many consumers worries would be alleviated if Tesla allowed all cars to charge on their network today. Wouldn't that be great? Which is more harmful to consumers: a proprietary network or an open one? Imagine if Ford bought out all the prime gas station locations along highway corridors and made them Ford only gas stations. A true win for consumers. Maybe we shouldn't allow single corporations to control important infrastructure with proprietary standards?

panick21_ 4y ago
My point has always been that if government want's to create infrastructure for everybody, those companies that have done their own infrastructure and have done the initial investment should be rewarded and those that didn't and just want to profit from the government investment should be forced to pay large amounts of money. Now the government is investing its own money and this simply rewards companies like Toyota who have done nothing and will profit the most. Specially because its of foreign company, that makes it even worse. So by all means, create infrastructure for everybody, but take into account how the market got to the point it is.