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What are you going to do, move to a different service? Switching out your cloud hosted office suite is probably a non starter for most companies.

wcfields 4y ago
It's a straight up nightmare to move email providers. Especially if you have an office environment built around GDocs, Gmail and trying to get people to move to Office365.
- acdha 4y ago
  Email is by far the easiest of those things. Docs & workflows aren’t as standard so it’s not just an import but also changing how you work.
rconti 4y ago
I just finally switched from a personal account to Workspace so I was a little concerned. Thankfully the price increase is minimal (and will be 0 since I can just pay annually).
xoa 4y ago
>What are you going to do, move to a different service? Probably yes for a few of my clients. They're only using the email and calendars, and only via applications (Mac/iOS Mail/Calendar, Outlook, or TB). Two of them started on the free one. Primarily staying with GSuite has been a matter of inertia and ensuring delivery, all the other stuff is worthless. This will probably be motivation to make the move this time. Other companies might have kept and "basics only tier", but I just don't think Google is serious about anything but ads when it comes to money. Even their subscription stuff seems frequently poorly supported, though perhaps it's better for the biggest players. I'm very thankful I always pushed hard against webmail, had registrar/DNS independent and so on. It's added friction in some cases but means switching is pretty transparent. Lots don't have that luxury of course, but it's been nice here.
Rimintil 4y ago
Moving from GSuite to M365 is a fairly popular move. Consulting companies build around this service.
- crazygringo 4y ago
  I've seen more movement in the opposite direction, from M365 to Google. Mostly from companies who chose Microsoft before G Suite became popular for business. But maybe it's industry-dependent? In any case, you definitely need consultants because it's a pain no matter which direction you're going. Not a decision to take lightly, and you're not going to switch again for another 15 years.
  - Rimintil 4y ago
    I generally see Google -> M365 given the severe poor suitability of Google Workspace for enterprise businesses. And given those businesses often need to run Windows & Office regardless, sticking to Google makes even less sense.
- nunez 4y ago
  Much much MUCH easier said than done, especially if you've co-mingled your Google for Apps/G-Suite/Workspace account with other Google services. Migrating contacts and calendars is easy, thanks to open standards (unless you're migrating in bulk) Migrating email and validating the migration is a HUGE pain and takes forever. Data from any other Google service is basically unusable anywhere else. Yes, you can export it via Google Takeout, but they are all but proprietary.
  - joecool1029 4y ago
    >Migrating contacts and calendars is easy, thanks to open standards (unless you're migrating in bulk) Ehhhhh, Workspace has a half-assed EAS implementation that works until it doesn't (just had a client where it stopped exporting all his phone numbers, the data was still in Google but their EAS just wasn't outputting it). It's hardly an open standard but theoretically works for Outlook users migrating to Exchange. Going anywhere else with an Outlook desktop user that actually follows the open standards (CardDav/CalDav) is extreme pain because Outlook lacks native support, so you need to use a plugin that will pull the data but not present it in the same way. The earlier mentioned client I moved to Fastmail and I still haven't figured out how to get his 'contact folders' to show and sync in Outlook without heavily customizing the views. Otherwise works in Android with DavX and iOS natively.
JamesAdir 4y ago
Enterprises have long term contracts with deep discounts on official pricing and locked in pricing on many services.
afandian 4y ago
The lock-in is true. But it's still worrying.
firecall 4y ago
The Cloud is the new File Format lock-in!
CharlesW 4y ago
> Switching out your cloud hosted office suite is probably a non starter for most companies. I was recently at a startup that did this. Honestly, it was pretty simple. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/admin/moveto-microsoft-365/set-up-microsoft-365-forgoogle?view=o365-worldwide https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/admin/moveto...
preommr 4y ago
Yes. But not over a 20% increase.

wcfields 4y ago

It's a straight up nightmare to move email providers. Especially if you have an office environment built around GDocs, Gmail and trying to get people to move to Office365.

acdha 4y ago
Email is by far the easiest of those things. Docs & workflows aren’t as standard so it’s not just an import but also changing how you work.

rconti 4y ago

I just finally switched from a personal account to Workspace so I was a little concerned. Thankfully the price increase is minimal (and will be 0 since I can just pay annually).

xoa 4y ago

>What are you going to do, move to a different service? Probably yes for a few of my clients. They're only using the email and calendars, and only via applications (Mac/iOS Mail/Calendar, Outlook, or TB). Two of them started on the free one. Primarily staying with GSuite has been a matter of inertia and ensuring delivery, all the other stuff is worthless. This will probably be motivation to make the move this time. Other companies might have kept and "basics only tier", but I just don't think Google is serious about anything but ads when it comes to money. Even their subscription stuff seems frequently poorly supported, though perhaps it's better for the biggest players. I'm very thankful I always pushed hard against webmail, had registrar/DNS independent and so on. It's added friction in some cases but means switching is pretty transparent. Lots don't have that luxury of course, but it's been nice here.

Rimintil 4y ago

Moving from GSuite to M365 is a fairly popular move. Consulting companies build around this service.

crazygringo 4y ago
I've seen more movement in the opposite direction, from M365 to Google. Mostly from companies who chose Microsoft before G Suite became popular for business. But maybe it's industry-dependent? In any case, you definitely need consultants because it's a pain no matter which direction you're going. Not a decision to take lightly, and you're not going to switch again for another 15 years.
- Rimintil 4y ago
  I generally see Google -> M365 given the severe poor suitability of Google Workspace for enterprise businesses. And given those businesses often need to run Windows & Office regardless, sticking to Google makes even less sense.
nunez 4y ago
Much much MUCH easier said than done, especially if you've co-mingled your Google for Apps/G-Suite/Workspace account with other Google services. Migrating contacts and calendars is easy, thanks to open standards (unless you're migrating in bulk) Migrating email and validating the migration is a HUGE pain and takes forever. Data from any other Google service is basically unusable anywhere else. Yes, you can export it via Google Takeout, but they are all but proprietary.
- joecool1029 4y ago
  >Migrating contacts and calendars is easy, thanks to open standards (unless you're migrating in bulk) Ehhhhh, Workspace has a half-assed EAS implementation that works until it doesn't (just had a client where it stopped exporting all his phone numbers, the data was still in Google but their EAS just wasn't outputting it). It's hardly an open standard but theoretically works for Outlook users migrating to Exchange. Going anywhere else with an Outlook desktop user that actually follows the open standards (CardDav/CalDav) is extreme pain because Outlook lacks native support, so you need to use a plugin that will pull the data but not present it in the same way. The earlier mentioned client I moved to Fastmail and I still haven't figured out how to get his 'contact folders' to show and sync in Outlook without heavily customizing the views. Otherwise works in Android with DavX and iOS natively.

JamesAdir 4y ago

Enterprises have long term contracts with deep discounts on official pricing and locked in pricing on many services.

afandian 4y ago

The lock-in is true. But it's still worrying.

firecall 4y ago

The Cloud is the new File Format lock-in!

CharlesW 4y ago

> Switching out your cloud hosted office suite is probably a non starter for most companies. I was recently at a startup that did this. Honestly, it was pretty simple. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/admin/moveto-microsoft-365/set-up-microsoft-365-forgoogle?view=o365-worldwide https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/admin/moveto...

preommr 4y ago

Yes. But not over a 20% increase.