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> I disagree. If someone is a bad driver, and causing crashes, we don't say "we need to improve the road system". Well yes, and that is literally exactly the p
by panick21_ 4y ago
> I disagree. If someone is a bad driver, and causing crashes, we don't say "we need to improve the road system".
Well yes, and that is literally exactly the problem. That is exactly why its so unsafe in the US. Because instead of building a safe system everything is blamed on people.
In countries that take road safety seriously, every crash is analyzed and often the road system is changed to make sure it does not happen again. That is why places like Finland, Netherlands and so on have been consistently improving in terms of death and harm caused by the road system.
Again, the book I linked goes into a lot of detail about road safety engineering.
> We suspend the drivers license until they can prove they are capable of being a safe driver.
An unsafe designed street often leads to situation where even good drivers intuitively do the wrong thing. Again, this is exactly the problem.
If you build a system where lots of avg. drivers make accidents, then you have a lot of accidents.
> We should hold this software to the same standard. Until it can demonstrate safety at or above human level, it should be outlawed.
Yes, but its a question of how much limited resources should be invested in analyzing and validating each piece of software by each manufacturer. In general software like Tesla AP would likely pass this test.
I am not against such tests but the reality is that resources are limited.
> Road systems should always be worked on, but when a crash happens its usually the drivers fault, except in a minority of cases where bad road engineering is to blame.
I strongly disagree with this statement. Its a totally false analysis. If a system is designed in a way known to be non-intuitive and leading to a very high rate accidents then its a bad system. Just calling everybody who makes a mistake a bad drive is a terrible, terrible approach to safety.
Once you have a safe road system, if somebody is an extremely bad driver, yes taking that person of the road is good. However in a country where so much of the population depends on a car, that punishment can literally destroy a whole family. So just applying it to anybody who makes a mistake isn't viable, specially in system that makes it incredibly easy to make mistakes.
The numbers don't even show the problem, the unsafe road system leads to less people walking in the US, and somehow still creating a high rate of deaths for people who walk.
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