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Meh, the term recall conjures images of vehicles having to be taken back to the dealership to get repaired, replaced, or refunded. The recall announced here is

by Kranar 4y ago

Meh, the term recall conjures images of vehicles having to be taken back to the dealership to get repaired, replaced, or refunded. The recall announced here is just an over the air software update. It's worth pointing this out.

notyourwork 4y ago
It’s really not a differentiator. Is it? Issue is still an issue and must be addressed. OTA doesn’t change that.
- literalAardvark 4y ago
  It certainly is different. Recalls are expensive and annoying for the user, involving drives and waiting times. This is an OTA update.
billiallards 4y ago
In the same way that the term "full self driving" or "autopilot" conjures images of vehicles driving themselves? Not sure that Tesla should be opening the "what do words mean" can of worms right now.
- Domenic_S 4y ago
  > In the same way that the term "full self driving" or "autopilot" conjures images of vehicles driving themselves? I disagree with your point here, but whether correct or not you should be consistent: if words conjuring things is important, then the previous commenter's point is valid.
stefan_ 4y ago
The question you need to be asking is how many of these safety events they have swept under the rug because a fix is always "just an over the air software update" away. This recall only happened because, god forbid, the NHTSA got off its ass and actually tested something.
- Kranar 4y ago
  >This recall only happened because, god forbid, the NHTSA got off its ass and actually tested something. Where did you find this info? The article says it was Tesla that did a voluntary recall. The NHTSA was not the one who did any testing and was not involved in the decision. The report, which is linked in the article is authored by Tesla with no involvement from NHTSA. If I am misinterpreting something I thank you in advance for pointing it out.
  - stefan_ 4y ago
    Per the chronology: - On January 25, 2023 [..] NHTSA advised Tesla that it had identified potential concerns related to certain operational characteristics of FSD Beta in four specific roadway environments [..] NHTSA requested that Tesla address these concerns by filing a recall notice. - In the following days, NHTSA and Tesla met numerous times to discuss the Agency’s concerns and Tesla’s proposed over-the-air (“OTA”) improvements in response. - On February 7, 2023, while not concurring with the agency’s analysis, Tesla decided to administer a voluntary recall out of an abundance of caution So yes, it was voluntary in the sense of "you don't want us to force you to do it" and it was indeed the NHTSA testing.

by Kranar 4y ago

notyourwork 4y ago

It’s really not a differentiator. Is it? Issue is still an issue and must be addressed. OTA doesn’t change that.

literalAardvark 4y ago
It certainly is different. Recalls are expensive and annoying for the user, involving drives and waiting times. This is an OTA update.

billiallards 4y ago

In the same way that the term "full self driving" or "autopilot" conjures images of vehicles driving themselves? Not sure that Tesla should be opening the "what do words mean" can of worms right now.

Domenic_S 4y ago
> In the same way that the term "full self driving" or "autopilot" conjures images of vehicles driving themselves? I disagree with your point here, but whether correct or not you should be consistent: if words conjuring things is important, then the previous commenter's point is valid.

stefan_ 4y ago

The question you need to be asking is how many of these safety events they have swept under the rug because a fix is always "just an over the air software update" away. This recall only happened because, god forbid, the NHTSA got off its ass and actually tested something.

Kranar 4y ago
>This recall only happened because, god forbid, the NHTSA got off its ass and actually tested something. Where did you find this info? The article says it was Tesla that did a voluntary recall. The NHTSA was not the one who did any testing and was not involved in the decision. The report, which is linked in the article is authored by Tesla with no involvement from NHTSA. If I am misinterpreting something I thank you in advance for pointing it out.
- stefan_ 4y ago
  Per the chronology: - On January 25, 2023 [..] NHTSA advised Tesla that it had identified potential concerns related to certain operational characteristics of FSD Beta in four specific roadway environments [..] NHTSA requested that Tesla address these concerns by filing a recall notice. - In the following days, NHTSA and Tesla met numerous times to discuss the Agency’s concerns and Tesla’s proposed over-the-air (“OTA”) improvements in response. - On February 7, 2023, while not concurring with the agency’s analysis, Tesla decided to administer a voluntary recall out of an abundance of caution So yes, it was voluntary in the sense of "you don't want us to force you to do it" and it was indeed the NHTSA testing.