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> I'm pleasantly surprised by this news. I never thought Apple would do this and have been quite critical of them over the years due to it. The EU is forcing t

> I'm pleasantly surprised by this news. I never thought Apple would do this and have been quite critical of them over the years due to it. The EU is forcing them to allow side loading so they are racing against the clock to try to bring WebKit to a point where everyone is not just going to switch to Chrome overnight when that happens.

fabrice_d 4y ago
In general yes, but web push is kind of the exception there because this API needs OS level support to wake up apps. Switching to a blink based browser would not help with that.
- yoavm 4y ago
  Why not? If you run Chrome (or Firefox) on iOS, can't the app ask for notification access using the normal OS API? It will then "lend" this functionality to websites, so that when they have an update you'll get a notification from Chrome saying "Website X: Hello world".
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    That'd require a whole other push system operating on top of the normal iOS push system. Web app users would have to go through some Google-hosted push clearinghouse that wrapped some new format within the existing Apple push protocol, and it'd only work for Chrome. [EDIT] Web app developers, that is—users of the push system. And it means when end users have 20 sites sending them pushes that they don't want, they'd have to figure out how to disable them in Chrome's settings, rather than their normal system push settings. It'd be a total mess.
    - yoavm 4y ago
      Isn't this literally how it's done with every browser on earth? I'm using Linux. Websites don't use DBus and notify-send, they use native Web APIs to talk with the browser. The browser then uses the OS notifications API to translate them, and yes, it manages all the subscriptions too.
robertoandred 4y ago
99.9% of people would not switch to Chrome overnight. They don’t know or care what a rendering engine is.
- fragmede 4y ago
  4.47% of them don't have to - they're already on Chrome on iOS. https://techjury.net/blog/web-browser-market-share/ https://techjury.net/blog/web-browser-market-share/
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  They don’t need to know. They just need to click on the banner which will be on every Google search result pages. How do you think Chrome got its market share on the desktop?
  - dagmx 4y ago
    I really wish I could get google to shut up about logging in to my Google account and/or download chrome. When I use safari on my work device, I don’t want to sign in. I don’t want to download chrome. They’re so incessant with their pushing of the browsers. It’s easier to just give in than to deal with their pestering.
  - robertoandred 4y ago
    There's nothing stopping that from happening now. Chrome has been available on iOS for a long long time.
Eduard 4y ago
Are you talking about Apples walled garden app store or are you talking about the Aplpe-enforced webkit browser monopoly in iOS? Or are they Effectively dependant on each other?

fabrice_d 4y ago

In general yes, but web push is kind of the exception there because this API needs OS level support to wake up apps. Switching to a blink based browser would not help with that.

yoavm 4y ago
Why not? If you run Chrome (or Firefox) on iOS, can't the app ask for notification access using the normal OS API? It will then "lend" this functionality to websites, so that when they have an update you'll get a notification from Chrome saying "Website X: Hello world".
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  That'd require a whole other push system operating on top of the normal iOS push system. Web app users would have to go through some Google-hosted push clearinghouse that wrapped some new format within the existing Apple push protocol, and it'd only work for Chrome. [EDIT] Web app developers, that is—users of the push system. And it means when end users have 20 sites sending them pushes that they don't want, they'd have to figure out how to disable them in Chrome's settings, rather than their normal system push settings. It'd be a total mess.
  - yoavm 4y ago
    Isn't this literally how it's done with every browser on earth? I'm using Linux. Websites don't use DBus and notify-send, they use native Web APIs to talk with the browser. The browser then uses the OS notifications API to translate them, and yes, it manages all the subscriptions too.

robertoandred 4y ago

99.9% of people would not switch to Chrome overnight. They don’t know or care what a rendering engine is.

fragmede 4y ago
4.47% of them don't have to - they're already on Chrome on iOS. https://techjury.net/blog/web-browser-market-share/ https://techjury.net/blog/web-browser-market-share/
WastingMyTime89 4y ago
They don’t need to know. They just need to click on the banner which will be on every Google search result pages. How do you think Chrome got its market share on the desktop?
- dagmx 4y ago
  I really wish I could get google to shut up about logging in to my Google account and/or download chrome. When I use safari on my work device, I don’t want to sign in. I don’t want to download chrome. They’re so incessant with their pushing of the browsers. It’s easier to just give in than to deal with their pestering.
- robertoandred 4y ago
  There's nothing stopping that from happening now. Chrome has been available on iOS for a long long time.

Eduard 4y ago

Are you talking about Apples walled garden app store or are you talking about the Aplpe-enforced webkit browser monopoly in iOS? Or are they Effectively dependant on each other?