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they meant "save a few thousand dollars so my Tesla can just have the ordinary cruise control that it comes with, without the autopilot which I believe to be un

they meant "save a few thousand dollars so my Tesla can just have the ordinary cruise control that it comes with, without the autopilot which I believe to be unusable"

gwbas1c 4y ago
No, I didn't mean that at all. All Teslas come with Autopilot. It's adaptive cruise control and automatic steering that will keep you in your lane. It's awesome, and I love it. "Enhanced" autopilot, which currently is $6000 extra, is automatic lane change, automatically taking exits, summon, and automatic parking. The automatic lane change is nice, but it fails too often to be worth thousands of dollars. All the rest of the features are basically party tricks. If I could have automatic lane changes for much less, I'd happily pay extra for it. Edit: Enhanced Autopilot was $7k extra when I bought my 2nd Tesla, now it's $6k extra.
- vel0city 4y ago
  > All Teslas come with Autopilot. It's adaptive cruise control and automatic steering that will keep you in your lane. So like every Honda Accord as well.
  - gwbas1c 4y ago
    And it works in stop and go traffic. The Accord only goes down to something like 30-40 mph.
    - vel0city 4y ago
      Example video of Honda Sensing low speed follow/stop and go traffic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs-e8QzTo7w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs-e8QzTo7w You don't need to be in 30+mph traffic for Honda Sensing to work. Most Level 2 ADAS systems behave similarly.
    - vel0city 4y ago
      Accords work in stop and go traffic as well. My 2017 Hyundai also works in stop and go traffic.
- noduerme 4y ago
  Prices and packages aside, I'm asking can you turn on basic cruise control without turning on any form of automatic steering? To me, design hubris is forcing someone to accept a choice-limiting or poorly documented form of automation in order to accept a more basic form. I have a Fiat 124 Spider... love it, but it has one "feature" that I absolutely hate, which is that if you hold the clutch down and brake while stopped on an uphill incline, it holds the brake for 2 seconds after you take your foot off. Presumably this is for people who don't know how to balance clutch on a hill... although the overlap between those people and the people who'd buy this car must be vanishingly low. You can disable this dumb thing - but the only way to do it is to pull the fuse that controls antilock brakes. It's infuriating.
  - gwbas1c 4y ago
    > Prices and packages aside, I'm asking can you turn on basic cruise control without turning on any form of automatic steering? Yes. BTW, the automatic steering is very easy to override by just turning the wheel. When I change lanes I just turn the wheel and then turn autopilot back on. BTW, I also had a Subaru that held the clutch on a hill. I really appreciated it in San Francisco. Personally, I don't understand the hate. I never felt like I needed it, but I remember my mom complaining about other people rolling back in a steep driveway at my preschool in the 1980s. Maybe the feature is needed for those places in the world where everyone drives stick, even the people who are clutzes?
    - noduerme 4y ago
      I learned to drive stick on the hills in LA, and owned a manual in SF... not rolling backward is part of being a good driver. I'm just saying I'd like the option to turn it off w/o disabling antilock brakes. For me, the feature creates unpredictable stalls or dangerous situations, because you never know if it's engaging. It engages on a 4% grade or something; it's hard to know if you're at 3% or not before you take your foot off the brake and find your car not moving as you let out the clutch. If you assume the brake is on and it isn't, you let the clutch out further to override it (also not marked how much throttle that takes) and you shoot forward into the car in front of you. If you assume it's off and it's actually on, you stall. People who live in parts of the world where there's only manual transmissions know how to drive a manual car. I think it was made for people who've only driven automatic but chose a manual this time. The Fiat 124 up until last year was the only car sold in America where the automatic model was still more expensive - an add-on. AFAIK. I don't care what features they add, and I've heard other people not be bothered by it. Just give me a way to turn them off!

they meant "save a few thousand dollars so my Tesla can just have the ordinary cruise control that it comes with, without the autopilot which I believe to be unusable"

gwbas1c 4y ago

No, I didn't mean that at all. All Teslas come with Autopilot. It's adaptive cruise control and automatic steering that will keep you in your lane. It's awesome, and I love it. "Enhanced" autopilot, which currently is $6000 extra, is automatic lane change, automatically taking exits, summon, and automatic parking. The automatic lane change is nice, but it fails too often to be worth thousands of dollars. All the rest of the features are basically party tricks. If I could have automatic lane changes for much less, I'd happily pay extra for it. Edit: Enhanced Autopilot was $7k extra when I bought my 2nd Tesla, now it's $6k extra.

vel0city 4y ago
> All Teslas come with Autopilot. It's adaptive cruise control and automatic steering that will keep you in your lane. So like every Honda Accord as well.
- gwbas1c 4y ago
  And it works in stop and go traffic. The Accord only goes down to something like 30-40 mph.
  - vel0city 4y ago
    Example video of Honda Sensing low speed follow/stop and go traffic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs-e8QzTo7w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs-e8QzTo7w You don't need to be in 30+mph traffic for Honda Sensing to work. Most Level 2 ADAS systems behave similarly.
  - vel0city 4y ago
    Accords work in stop and go traffic as well. My 2017 Hyundai also works in stop and go traffic.
noduerme 4y ago
Prices and packages aside, I'm asking can you turn on basic cruise control without turning on any form of automatic steering? To me, design hubris is forcing someone to accept a choice-limiting or poorly documented form of automation in order to accept a more basic form. I have a Fiat 124 Spider... love it, but it has one "feature" that I absolutely hate, which is that if you hold the clutch down and brake while stopped on an uphill incline, it holds the brake for 2 seconds after you take your foot off. Presumably this is for people who don't know how to balance clutch on a hill... although the overlap between those people and the people who'd buy this car must be vanishingly low. You can disable this dumb thing - but the only way to do it is to pull the fuse that controls antilock brakes. It's infuriating.
- gwbas1c 4y ago
  > Prices and packages aside, I'm asking can you turn on basic cruise control without turning on any form of automatic steering? Yes. BTW, the automatic steering is very easy to override by just turning the wheel. When I change lanes I just turn the wheel and then turn autopilot back on. BTW, I also had a Subaru that held the clutch on a hill. I really appreciated it in San Francisco. Personally, I don't understand the hate. I never felt like I needed it, but I remember my mom complaining about other people rolling back in a steep driveway at my preschool in the 1980s. Maybe the feature is needed for those places in the world where everyone drives stick, even the people who are clutzes?
  - noduerme 4y ago
    I learned to drive stick on the hills in LA, and owned a manual in SF... not rolling backward is part of being a good driver. I'm just saying I'd like the option to turn it off w/o disabling antilock brakes. For me, the feature creates unpredictable stalls or dangerous situations, because you never know if it's engaging. It engages on a 4% grade or something; it's hard to know if you're at 3% or not before you take your foot off the brake and find your car not moving as you let out the clutch. If you assume the brake is on and it isn't, you let the clutch out further to override it (also not marked how much throttle that takes) and you shoot forward into the car in front of you. If you assume it's off and it's actually on, you stall. People who live in parts of the world where there's only manual transmissions know how to drive a manual car. I think it was made for people who've only driven automatic but chose a manual this time. The Fiat 124 up until last year was the only car sold in America where the automatic model was still more expensive - an add-on. AFAIK. I don't care what features they add, and I've heard other people not be bothered by it. Just give me a way to turn them off!