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Yeah it's not that I'm scared of my own driving, I mean that if other people had it it would be safer. Things which have happened in the last 3 days of moderat

Yeah it's not that I'm scared of my own driving, I mean that if other people had it it would be safer. Things which have happened in the last 3 days of moderate driving around a city: 1) A car gets impatient at some traffic turning right on a green light in a construction zone, and comes into my lane meaning into oncoming traffic. We have to swerve out of the way and slam on the brakes to avoid them. 2) A guy gets impatient behind me slowing down over a speedbump, tailgates me a few inches behind and then passes me by cutting into oncoming traffic in a no passing zone, then cuts me off, again with a few inches to spare, and speeds through the neighborhood where we eventually meet at the stoplight at the end of the road. 3) Every single day people run red lights. Almost every light where there are people turning left at a green there are 4-5 cars that go through the red light after it turns. My safety score on my tesla is 99. I am an extremely safe driver. I wish FSD was more common because so many people are terrible drivers.

bena 4y ago
Your Tesla tells you you're a safe driver. Well, geez, I'm convinced that the $55,000 (maybe+?) you spent tells you things you like to hear. I mean, one of the criteria is "Late Night Driving". Why not driving between the hours of 4pm and 6pm? When there are a lot more cars on the road, which is just statistically less safe. https://www.tesla.com/support/safety-score#version-1.2 https://www.tesla.com/support/safety-score#version-1.2 And looking at the rest of the criteria, they're ok, but hardly comprehensive. This is like, the bare minimum. It doesn't measure what I would call "doing stupid shit". Like crossing several lanes of traffic to get in a turn lane. Forcibly merging where you shouldn't. Nearly stopping in the middle of traffic before merging into a turn lane at the last minute. Straddling lanes because you're not sure if you really want to change lanes or not. Making a left turn from a major artery onto a side street at a place that is not protected by a light. Coming to a near complete stop for every speed bump, then rushing ahead to the next. And a host of other things that demonstrates the person does not consider other people on the road at all. Here's an entire article about how to game the safety score: https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/14/three-quick-tips-for-a-higher-tesla-safety-score-and-one-secret-weapon/ https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/14/three-quick-tips-for-a-... One of the tips is to "drive around the neighborhood when traffic is light". And the car doesn't ding autopilot for behaviors it would knock a human for. Because the assumption is that the car would know better I guess. But then why isn't the safety score simply a deviation from what autopilot would do in a situation? If autopilot would brake hard to avoid a collision, shouldn't you?
- thepasswordis 4y ago
  The Tesla doesn't just tell me I'm a safe driver, it also gives me a cheaper insurance rate due to the safe driving. The safety score is related to my monthly insurance premium. So maybe it's to stroke my ego? But they're also putting their proverbial money where their mouth is.
  - bena 4y ago
    The insurance you get from Tesla, which has a vested interest in its own Safety Score. It's not giving a cheaper insurance rate "due to the safe driving", it's giving a cheaper rate due to having a better score on the metrics it decided. You see how that's circular, right. It does not mean you are a safe driver.
    - thepasswordis 4y ago
      …what? No I am not following that. The safety score is a representation of the metrics used to determine the insurance rate. This is not in any way circular. The insurance rate and the safety score are representative of the same thing: safe driving. https://www.tesla.com/support/safety-score#version-1.2 https://www.tesla.com/support/safety-score#version-1.2
      - bena 4y ago
        They're both from Tesla. There's no real proof that they're representative of safe driving. And you kind of want it to flow both ways: "the safety score represents good driving, so I get cheaper insurance" and "I get cheaper insurance so the safety score must represent good driving". You're trying to use each of these things to validate the other so you can then claim it's something entirely else. I think it's telling that autopilot is allowed to drive in a manner that would otherwise negatively impact your safety score. Either autopilot is unsafe or the safety score doesn't measure actual safe driving.
        thepasswordis 4y ago

bena 4y ago

Your Tesla tells you you're a safe driver. Well, geez, I'm convinced that the $55,000 (maybe+?) you spent tells you things you like to hear. I mean, one of the criteria is "Late Night Driving". Why not driving between the hours of 4pm and 6pm? When there are a lot more cars on the road, which is just statistically less safe. https://www.tesla.com/support/safety-score#version-1.2 https://www.tesla.com/support/safety-score#version-1.2 And looking at the rest of the criteria, they're ok, but hardly comprehensive. This is like, the bare minimum. It doesn't measure what I would call "doing stupid shit". Like crossing several lanes of traffic to get in a turn lane. Forcibly merging where you shouldn't. Nearly stopping in the middle of traffic before merging into a turn lane at the last minute. Straddling lanes because you're not sure if you really want to change lanes or not. Making a left turn from a major artery onto a side street at a place that is not protected by a light. Coming to a near complete stop for every speed bump, then rushing ahead to the next. And a host of other things that demonstrates the person does not consider other people on the road at all. Here's an entire article about how to game the safety score: https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/14/three-quick-tips-for-a-higher-tesla-safety-score-and-one-secret-weapon/ https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/14/three-quick-tips-for-a-... One of the tips is to "drive around the neighborhood when traffic is light". And the car doesn't ding autopilot for behaviors it would knock a human for. Because the assumption is that the car would know better I guess. But then why isn't the safety score simply a deviation from what autopilot would do in a situation? If autopilot would brake hard to avoid a collision, shouldn't you?

thepasswordis 4y ago
The Tesla doesn't just tell me I'm a safe driver, it also gives me a cheaper insurance rate due to the safe driving. The safety score is related to my monthly insurance premium. So maybe it's to stroke my ego? But they're also putting their proverbial money where their mouth is.
- bena 4y ago
  The insurance you get from Tesla, which has a vested interest in its own Safety Score. It's not giving a cheaper insurance rate "due to the safe driving", it's giving a cheaper rate due to having a better score on the metrics it decided. You see how that's circular, right. It does not mean you are a safe driver.
  - thepasswordis 4y ago
    …what? No I am not following that. The safety score is a representation of the metrics used to determine the insurance rate. This is not in any way circular. The insurance rate and the safety score are representative of the same thing: safe driving. https://www.tesla.com/support/safety-score#version-1.2 https://www.tesla.com/support/safety-score#version-1.2
    - bena 4y ago
      They're both from Tesla. There's no real proof that they're representative of safe driving. And you kind of want it to flow both ways: "the safety score represents good driving, so I get cheaper insurance" and "I get cheaper insurance so the safety score must represent good driving". You're trying to use each of these things to validate the other so you can then claim it's something entirely else. I think it's telling that autopilot is allowed to drive in a manner that would otherwise negatively impact your safety score. Either autopilot is unsafe or the safety score doesn't measure actual safe driving.
      - thepasswordis 4y ago