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In fact, there is a huge disconnect between people who design similar systems (Vision, safety, self driving, robotics, simulations) and those who use them. The

by screye 4y ago

In fact, there is a huge disconnect between people who design similar systems (Vision, safety, self driving, robotics, simulations) and those who use them. The criticism of Tesla is coming from experts, not jealous competitors. The problem with systems where 99% is a failing grade, is that 99% of the time, they work great. The other 1% you die. No one is against FSD or safer tech. They are against Tesla's haphazard 2d vision-first FSD. Wanna hear about this new fangled tech that avoids 100% of accidents, has fully-coordinated swarm robotics between all the cars, never swerves and can operate in all weather + lighting conditions ? It's called a street car. The words 'road' and 'safety' should never be uttered in the the same sentence.

buildbot 4y ago
Yep, I used to be in this field back in 2018, and everyone was extremely dismissive of the rest of the industries skepticism
ajross 4y ago
> The other 1% you die Um... no one died. I understand your point is hyperbole, but you're deploying it in service to what you seem to claim is serious criticism coming from experts. Which experts are claiming FSD beta killed someone? They aren't. So... maybe the "experts" aren't saying what you think they're saying? > Wanna hear about this new fangled tech that avoids 100% of accidents, has fully-coordinated swarm robotics between all the cars, never swerves and can operate in all weather + lighting conditions ? It's called a street car. And this is just laughably wrong. Street cars (because they operate on streets) get into accidents every day, often with horrifying results (because they weigh 20+ tons). They are surely safer than routine passenger cars, but by the standards you set yourself they "aren't safe" and thus must be banned, right?
helf 4y ago
GREAT comment. I think a large issue is people are really bad at risk assessment. Also, why the hell did they try doing camera only? Fucking dumb as hell. I would have trusted something like FSD a lot more if they had also put in very advanced radar etc. trying on fucking /cameras/ only for newer models should be a criminal offense.
- screye 4y ago
  It's well known at this point. When the model S was at its sales peak from 2013-2020, Lidar was still pretty expensive. So he put cameras in the original Teslas. When Karpathy took over in 2018-ish, Tesla realized that all their advantages (dataset size, quality of researchers) was in the 2D realm. Waymo had been doing lidar for longer, seemed to have better 3d engineers & could keep upgrading lidar devices as they went. Tesla's insistence on 2D cameras has to do with stubborn desperation more so than a willingness to play catch up. Elon needs 2D cameras to 'win' because even as early as 2019, he thought that it was too late to start playing catch up in 3D.

by screye 4y ago

buildbot 4y ago

Yep, I used to be in this field back in 2018, and everyone was extremely dismissive of the rest of the industries skepticism

ajross 4y ago

> The other 1% you die Um... no one died. I understand your point is hyperbole, but you're deploying it in service to what you seem to claim is serious criticism coming from experts. Which experts are claiming FSD beta killed someone? They aren't. So... maybe the "experts" aren't saying what you think they're saying? > Wanna hear about this new fangled tech that avoids 100% of accidents, has fully-coordinated swarm robotics between all the cars, never swerves and can operate in all weather + lighting conditions ? It's called a street car. And this is just laughably wrong. Street cars (because they operate on streets) get into accidents every day, often with horrifying results (because they weigh 20+ tons). They are surely safer than routine passenger cars, but by the standards you set yourself they "aren't safe" and thus must be banned, right?

helf 4y ago

GREAT comment. I think a large issue is people are really bad at risk assessment. Also, why the hell did they try doing camera only? Fucking dumb as hell. I would have trusted something like FSD a lot more if they had also put in very advanced radar etc. trying on fucking /cameras/ only for newer models should be a criminal offense.

screye 4y ago
It's well known at this point. When the model S was at its sales peak from 2013-2020, Lidar was still pretty expensive. So he put cameras in the original Teslas. When Karpathy took over in 2018-ish, Tesla realized that all their advantages (dataset size, quality of researchers) was in the 2D realm. Waymo had been doing lidar for longer, seemed to have better 3d engineers & could keep upgrading lidar devices as they went. Tesla's insistence on 2D cameras has to do with stubborn desperation more so than a willingness to play catch up. Elon needs 2D cameras to 'win' because even as early as 2019, he thought that it was too late to start playing catch up in 3D.