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FSD is terrible. I have it, it's dangerous. If I had to go 5 miles through city streets I'd sooner trust a human after 3 shots of tequila before I'd trust FSD e

FSD is terrible. I have it, it's dangerous. If I had to go 5 miles through city streets I'd sooner trust a human after 3 shots of tequila before I'd trust FSD every time.

alfor 4y ago
Do you have the latest beta? How did it improve in the last 12 months?
- psychomugs 4y ago
  That other drivers are beta testers for software controlling a large mass of metal and combustibles hurtling down asphalt at _ludicrous_ speeds is something you'd write into a dystopia story. The fact of the fiction is terrifying.
  - alfor 4y ago
    It’s a choice, you are in control all the time.
    - CharlesW 4y ago
      You can re-take control, which may take seconds depending on the mental and physical state of the driver. A lot can happen in a second.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      The other drivers on the road, and pedestrians, aren't getting to make that choice.
    - psychomugs 4y ago
      https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2015-01-1407/ https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/20... "This study investigated the driving characteristics of drivers when the system changes from autonomous driving to manual driving in the case of low driver alertness. ... In the results, a significant difference was observed in the reaction time and the brake pedal force for brake pedal operation in the low alertness state, compared to the normal alertness state of the driver, and there were instances when the driver was unable to perform an adequate avoidance operation."
- cma 4y ago
  Musk has the latest internal release that will fix every problem at the end of the month, every month.
- root_axis 4y ago
  Not sure if it's the latest, and nowadays I rarely use it, and when I do it's just to show off to curious friends, but I live in an east coast metro and I've never been able to use FSD for more than 20 minutes without it making a dangerous mistake - 90% of the time it's been a mistake making a left turn, turning into the wrong lane or oncoming traffic after making the left, not correctly respecting the traffic lines or the left turn lights and other very scary situations.
  - alfor 4y ago
    So it’s good enough that you let it control and become less attentive? I was thinking that you feel in what kind of conditions it behave correctly (highway), low traffic and then use it in progressively more difficult situations as it prove to you it can handle them consistently. I know it’s not ready yet. I heard as saw so many positive reviews (but still with corner cases and strange behaviours)
    - root_axis 4y ago
      I've not had any FSD issues on the highway besides phantom braking, it keeps lanes correctly, safely adjusts to traffic speeds and it merges into offramp lane without issue (though it still makes me nervous), once it gets into city streets though...
billfor 4y ago
Disagree. I've had the beta for a year and drive in NYC. It has been mostly flawless considering all scenarios it has to handle. It does make the occasional mistake but (1) it's a beta and (2) I'm responsible for monitoring and correcting it. Agree that those that expected more should be entitled to a refund if they so desire.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  Consider the possibility that you might both be right. Two people may have vastly different experiences with FSD, depending on the routes they take and other variables.
  - ricardobeat 4y ago
    Also some people may have a very low tolerance for the car not driving like they would. It does make you uncomfortable .
- root_axis 4y ago
  > It does make the occasional mistake Yeah, that's what I mean by "dangerous".
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    Ok but don't you have to weigh that against the potential of avoiding accidents by reacting quicker then you as a human can? I have defiantly seen cases where FSD Beta stopped and the driver didn't understand instantly understand why. Or simpler cases where the car follows a lane while the driver wasn't paying attention (adjusting the radio or whatever). Those can easily lead to an accident but are unlikely to if you are in FSD. How do you make that calculation?
    - root_axis 4y ago
      The calculation is easy, FSD does the wrong thing so often that there's no question a human driver is safer.

FSD is terrible. I have it, it's dangerous. If I had to go 5 miles through city streets I'd sooner trust a human after 3 shots of tequila before I'd trust FSD every time.

alfor 4y ago

Do you have the latest beta? How did it improve in the last 12 months?

psychomugs 4y ago
That other drivers are beta testers for software controlling a large mass of metal and combustibles hurtling down asphalt at _ludicrous_ speeds is something you'd write into a dystopia story. The fact of the fiction is terrifying.
- alfor 4y ago
  It’s a choice, you are in control all the time.
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    You can re-take control, which may take seconds depending on the mental and physical state of the driver. A lot can happen in a second.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    The other drivers on the road, and pedestrians, aren't getting to make that choice.
  - psychomugs 4y ago
    https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2015-01-1407/ https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/20... "This study investigated the driving characteristics of drivers when the system changes from autonomous driving to manual driving in the case of low driver alertness. ... In the results, a significant difference was observed in the reaction time and the brake pedal force for brake pedal operation in the low alertness state, compared to the normal alertness state of the driver, and there were instances when the driver was unable to perform an adequate avoidance operation."
cma 4y ago
Musk has the latest internal release that will fix every problem at the end of the month, every month.
root_axis 4y ago
Not sure if it's the latest, and nowadays I rarely use it, and when I do it's just to show off to curious friends, but I live in an east coast metro and I've never been able to use FSD for more than 20 minutes without it making a dangerous mistake - 90% of the time it's been a mistake making a left turn, turning into the wrong lane or oncoming traffic after making the left, not correctly respecting the traffic lines or the left turn lights and other very scary situations.
- alfor 4y ago
  So it’s good enough that you let it control and become less attentive? I was thinking that you feel in what kind of conditions it behave correctly (highway), low traffic and then use it in progressively more difficult situations as it prove to you it can handle them consistently. I know it’s not ready yet. I heard as saw so many positive reviews (but still with corner cases and strange behaviours)
  - root_axis 4y ago
    I've not had any FSD issues on the highway besides phantom braking, it keeps lanes correctly, safely adjusts to traffic speeds and it merges into offramp lane without issue (though it still makes me nervous), once it gets into city streets though...

billfor 4y ago

Disagree. I've had the beta for a year and drive in NYC. It has been mostly flawless considering all scenarios it has to handle. It does make the occasional mistake but (1) it's a beta and (2) I'm responsible for monitoring and correcting it. Agree that those that expected more should be entitled to a refund if they so desire.

ceejayoz 4y ago
Consider the possibility that you might both be right. Two people may have vastly different experiences with FSD, depending on the routes they take and other variables.
- ricardobeat 4y ago
  Also some people may have a very low tolerance for the car not driving like they would. It does make you uncomfortable .
root_axis 4y ago
> It does make the occasional mistake Yeah, that's what I mean by "dangerous".
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Ok but don't you have to weigh that against the potential of avoiding accidents by reacting quicker then you as a human can? I have defiantly seen cases where FSD Beta stopped and the driver didn't understand instantly understand why. Or simpler cases where the car follows a lane while the driver wasn't paying attention (adjusting the radio or whatever). Those can easily lead to an accident but are unlikely to if you are in FSD. How do you make that calculation?
  - root_axis 4y ago
    The calculation is easy, FSD does the wrong thing so often that there's no question a human driver is safer.