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Until your car decides to randomly slam on its brakes and cause a pile up.

by helf 4y ago

dpkirchner 4y ago
I'm reminded of a thread on HN where someone did a cross country trip and their car only phantom-braked a couple of times, and called that a huge success.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Ha, my new Model 3 phantom braked the first time on the trip home from the service center, which was only 10 miles. I doubt it had even gone over 10 miles on the odometer at that moment.
  - DarmokJalad1701 4y ago
    How were you able to put it into autopilot? Typically, the autopilot is calibrating itself the first 60 or so miles of driving, and it does not let you engage it.
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      Good question! It didn't argue one bit, literally drove it off the lot at the service center and hit the freeway and turned AP on (it's my second Model 3, so I already have such habits). It's entirely possible it had more miles than 5 on the odometer when I picked it up. Officially the paperwork says 15, the associate who gave me the car said it was actually less, and the odometer isn't very prominent so I never even looked. Maybe it had 50 miles and was a reject ;). I should go check TeslaFi, since I reenabled that the day I bought the car. I confess that the only way I ever know how many miles my car has is when I see it on TeslaFi.
    - nanidin 4y ago
      My 2022 Model Y didn't require any calibration to use autopilot after initially picking it up. IIRC there were 7 miles on the odometer at the time.
mrdatawolf 4y ago
Because only a FSD car causes piles up... your right, I NEVER saw 90 car pileups on the news before FSD. /s I'm pointing this out because he said (in italics) "substantially".
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  It doesn't really matter, we have multiple incidents of FSD causing accidents due to outright mistakes, not even "a human would have messed up here too" situations.
  - sebzim4500 4y ago
    Humans also mess up in situations that aren't "a human would have messed up here too".
    - micromacrofoot 4y ago
      Sure, but say I consider myself a diligent driver and I've never caused an accident... what does FSD have to offer me? Yet another random opportunity for a car to fail me. Why would I surrender control for that?
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    Do we? Becuase most of the news reports about claims blamed on Autopilot or FSD turn out after investigation not to be cases. In one famous case the policy claimed that the driver was '100% not in the driver seat'. This caused a huge media storm and anti-Tesla wave. Just recently the full report came out and stated that Tesla AP was not used at all and the drive was driving normally. https://electrek.co/2023/02/09/tesla-cleared-highly-publicized-fatal-crash-no-one-in-drivers-seat/ https://electrek.co/2023/02/09/tesla-cleared-highly-publiciz... There are quite few such cases, this one maybe being the one that caused the most media attention. So I tend to discredit all such reports unless its several months after and a full investigation report has been done. Do you have links to verified reports of FSD causing such crashes. It seems to me that phantom breaking could lead to such issues, but I have not yet seen a real report that claims this happened.
thepasswordis 4y ago
If my car slams on its brakes, and this causes you to hit me, then you are exactly the type of person I wish was using FSD. You're following too close to me for the conditions, you're distracted, or some combination of both. My car might have to emergency brake for any number of reasons. This should never cause a pileup, and if it does it's your fault, not mine.
- helf 4y ago
  That’s.. dumb. I’m the type of person who keeps a lot of car lengths between me and the car ahead like you are /supposed to/ but I’ve also had someone panic stop in from of me and, due to road conditions, I cannot stop in time and have hit them. Not hard. But did all the same. FSD and similar aren’t magic bullets that would prevent that. People like you who seem to think they are are also part of the problem. Would a completely automated roadway be fucking awesome for safety and productivity and relaxation? Yes. Is it going to happen anytime soon? Doubtful. Blows my mind how many people are totally willing to risk their own safety and everyone else’s using known buggy as fuck software. On the road. At 70mph. In a 2 ton vehicle. … but it hasn’t been an issue for you! You say. Ok. But I also watch dumb asses lane hop with barely enough room to pass likes it’s a video game and then act surprised when they wreck. So I guess I’m giving people too much credit.
12345hn6789 4y ago
If someone brake checks and you hit them, you're just as much of a problem. Learn defensive driving and stop driving so close to another driver. Keep a safe distance.
- helf 4y ago
  Tailgating pisses me off. I don’t do it. But this backlash to my comment about hard braking and wrecks is kind of hilarious. Basically, my point is that Tesla has made egregiously bullshit claims about FSD and autopilot. They have given them misleading names. And people who want to “live in the fuuuuture” have eaten it up and are using the Teslas like they are actually capable of driving themselves 100% of the time. In all conditions. If anything, it has made people who rely on it seemingly worse, inattentive drivers. So while I’m glad y’all enjoy your purchased vehicle, don’t pretend all gripes and complaints lobbed at them are invalid or someone else’s fault. That’s asinine and childish.

Until your car decides to randomly slam on its brakes and cause a pile up.

by helf 4y ago

Until your car decides to randomly slam on its brakes and cause a pile up.

I'm reminded of a thread on HN where someone did a cross country trip and their car only phantom-braked a couple of times, and called that a huge success.

rootusrootus 4y ago
Ha, my new Model 3 phantom braked the first time on the trip home from the service center, which was only 10 miles. I doubt it had even gone over 10 miles on the odometer at that moment.
- DarmokJalad1701 4y ago
  How were you able to put it into autopilot? Typically, the autopilot is calibrating itself the first 60 or so miles of driving, and it does not let you engage it.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    Good question! It didn't argue one bit, literally drove it off the lot at the service center and hit the freeway and turned AP on (it's my second Model 3, so I already have such habits). It's entirely possible it had more miles than 5 on the odometer when I picked it up. Officially the paperwork says 15, the associate who gave me the car said it was actually less, and the odometer isn't very prominent so I never even looked. Maybe it had 50 miles and was a reject ;). I should go check TeslaFi, since I reenabled that the day I bought the car. I confess that the only way I ever know how many miles my car has is when I see it on TeslaFi.
  - nanidin 4y ago
    My 2022 Model Y didn't require any calibration to use autopilot after initially picking it up. IIRC there were 7 miles on the odometer at the time.

mrdatawolf 4y ago

Because only a FSD car causes piles up... your right, I NEVER saw 90 car pileups on the news before FSD. /s I'm pointing this out because he said (in italics) "substantially".

micromacrofoot 4y ago
It doesn't really matter, we have multiple incidents of FSD causing accidents due to outright mistakes, not even "a human would have messed up here too" situations.
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  Humans also mess up in situations that aren't "a human would have messed up here too".
  - micromacrofoot 4y ago
    Sure, but say I consider myself a diligent driver and I've never caused an accident... what does FSD have to offer me? Yet another random opportunity for a car to fail me. Why would I surrender control for that?
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Do we? Becuase most of the news reports about claims blamed on Autopilot or FSD turn out after investigation not to be cases. In one famous case the policy claimed that the driver was '100% not in the driver seat'. This caused a huge media storm and anti-Tesla wave. Just recently the full report came out and stated that Tesla AP was not used at all and the drive was driving normally. https://electrek.co/2023/02/09/tesla-cleared-highly-publicized-fatal-crash-no-one-in-drivers-seat/ https://electrek.co/2023/02/09/tesla-cleared-highly-publiciz... There are quite few such cases, this one maybe being the one that caused the most media attention. So I tend to discredit all such reports unless its several months after and a full investigation report has been done. Do you have links to verified reports of FSD causing such crashes. It seems to me that phantom breaking could lead to such issues, but I have not yet seen a real report that claims this happened.

thepasswordis 4y ago

If my car slams on its brakes, and this causes you to hit me, then you are exactly the type of person I wish was using FSD. You're following too close to me for the conditions, you're distracted, or some combination of both. My car might have to emergency brake for any number of reasons. This should never cause a pileup, and if it does it's your fault, not mine.

helf 4y ago
That’s.. dumb. I’m the type of person who keeps a lot of car lengths between me and the car ahead like you are /supposed to/ but I’ve also had someone panic stop in from of me and, due to road conditions, I cannot stop in time and have hit them. Not hard. But did all the same. FSD and similar aren’t magic bullets that would prevent that. People like you who seem to think they are are also part of the problem. Would a completely automated roadway be fucking awesome for safety and productivity and relaxation? Yes. Is it going to happen anytime soon? Doubtful. Blows my mind how many people are totally willing to risk their own safety and everyone else’s using known buggy as fuck software. On the road. At 70mph. In a 2 ton vehicle. … but it hasn’t been an issue for you! You say. Ok. But I also watch dumb asses lane hop with barely enough room to pass likes it’s a video game and then act surprised when they wreck. So I guess I’m giving people too much credit.

12345hn6789 4y ago

If someone brake checks and you hit them, you're just as much of a problem. Learn defensive driving and stop driving so close to another driver. Keep a safe distance.

helf 4y ago
Tailgating pisses me off. I don’t do it. But this backlash to my comment about hard braking and wrecks is kind of hilarious. Basically, my point is that Tesla has made egregiously bullshit claims about FSD and autopilot. They have given them misleading names. And people who want to “live in the fuuuuture” have eaten it up and are using the Teslas like they are actually capable of driving themselves 100% of the time. In all conditions. If anything, it has made people who rely on it seemingly worse, inattentive drivers. So while I’m glad y’all enjoy your purchased vehicle, don’t pretend all gripes and complaints lobbed at them are invalid or someone else’s fault. That’s asinine and childish.