5 ms·

> I still run on a boring old 60 Hz 1080p monitor This is surprising to me. I really enjoy 4k for the better text readability.

geerlingguy 4y ago
I should've been more specific — I do that on my gaming/secondary PC. My main Mac Studio setup is run through a 27" 4K LG display (which is also at 60 Hz, though).
- bravetraveler 4y ago
  For someone that reads as many logs as you/I do - I strongly suggest looking into high refresh rates! They seem very gaming oriented, because well, they are - but being able to read things as they fly by is a huge help. I'm always the person in calls at work going: "you missed it!"
  - geerlingguy 4y ago
    Haha that sounds like it could be its own gaming competition—competitive log streaming. I have done that though, where you just let loose the firehose, and scan for patterns during some nasty event.
    - bravetraveler 4y ago
      Even creating sub-communities; log sanitation at-scale! I'm game :)
    - mbreese 4y ago
      I’ve been unknowingly training for this competition for years.
    - sophacles 4y ago
      I worked at an ISP for a while where we set up a projector display and just had the log firehose on the wall at all times. I never really paid direct attention to it, and it had terrible resolution and a lowish refresh rate. Even still, the human brain is an amazing pattern matching machine and the feed gave us a lot of useful insight. Regularly someone on the team, even non-technical folks, would walk by and say "oh looks like $customer is having problems" just because their brain had divined a pattern from exposure and correlation. Sometimes we could turn those moments into automated alarms, sometimes we couldn't figure out how our brains made the determination. To this day I still try to keep a log feed visible along with the grafanas or whatever - it is shockingly useful even if I don't ever read those logs on the display.
dijit 4y ago
I have yet to find a decent 16:10 4k monitor. :( So for now I’ll keep my ancient dell 1080p displays.
- noncoml 4y ago
  I’m very particular about my monitors. Which models do you recommend?
  - dijit 4y ago
    I have Dell U2412M’s. there is a new “USB-C Hub” monitor which is 16:10, but also 1920px across from dell: U2421E https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-usb-c-hub-monitor-u2421e/apd/210-axmg/monitors-monitor-accessories https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-usb-c-hub-mo...
    - E39M5S62 4y ago
      I've always called those '1200p' monitors, to differentiate them from other similar screens. I have a pair of Dell U2415's (and U2715H's) on my desk and they're fantastic screens.
- ziml77 4y ago
  It's been so many years since 16:10 monitors were abandoned by manufacturers and I'm still sad about it. Though ultrawide does lift my spirits a bit. Doesn't improve the feel of the desktop for productivity, but gaming is excellent (first person games become more immersive and in WoW my screen is so much less cluttered with less important elements pushed way out to the side).
- wlesieutre 4y ago
  Don’t think it exists. There are 2560x1600, but they’re 30” so the DPI isn’t particularly high. If you have 1080p though you’re already on 16:9, did you mean 1920x1200?
  - dijit 4y ago

geerlingguy 4y ago

I should've been more specific — I do that on my gaming/secondary PC. My main Mac Studio setup is run through a 27" 4K LG display (which is also at 60 Hz, though).

bravetraveler 4y ago
For someone that reads as many logs as you/I do - I strongly suggest looking into high refresh rates! They seem very gaming oriented, because well, they are - but being able to read things as they fly by is a huge help. I'm always the person in calls at work going: "you missed it!"
- geerlingguy 4y ago
  Haha that sounds like it could be its own gaming competition—competitive log streaming. I have done that though, where you just let loose the firehose, and scan for patterns during some nasty event.
  - bravetraveler 4y ago
    Even creating sub-communities; log sanitation at-scale! I'm game :)
  - mbreese 4y ago
    I’ve been unknowingly training for this competition for years.
  - sophacles 4y ago
    I worked at an ISP for a while where we set up a projector display and just had the log firehose on the wall at all times. I never really paid direct attention to it, and it had terrible resolution and a lowish refresh rate. Even still, the human brain is an amazing pattern matching machine and the feed gave us a lot of useful insight. Regularly someone on the team, even non-technical folks, would walk by and say "oh looks like $customer is having problems" just because their brain had divined a pattern from exposure and correlation. Sometimes we could turn those moments into automated alarms, sometimes we couldn't figure out how our brains made the determination. To this day I still try to keep a log feed visible along with the grafanas or whatever - it is shockingly useful even if I don't ever read those logs on the display.

dijit 4y ago

I have yet to find a decent 16:10 4k monitor. :( So for now I’ll keep my ancient dell 1080p displays.

noncoml 4y ago
I’m very particular about my monitors. Which models do you recommend?
- dijit 4y ago
  I have Dell U2412M’s. there is a new “USB-C Hub” monitor which is 16:10, but also 1920px across from dell: U2421E https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-usb-c-hub-monitor-u2421e/apd/210-axmg/monitors-monitor-accessories https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-usb-c-hub-mo...
  - E39M5S62 4y ago
    I've always called those '1200p' monitors, to differentiate them from other similar screens. I have a pair of Dell U2415's (and U2715H's) on my desk and they're fantastic screens.
ziml77 4y ago
It's been so many years since 16:10 monitors were abandoned by manufacturers and I'm still sad about it. Though ultrawide does lift my spirits a bit. Doesn't improve the feel of the desktop for productivity, but gaming is excellent (first person games become more immersive and in WoW my screen is so much less cluttered with less important elements pushed way out to the side).
wlesieutre 4y ago
Don’t think it exists. There are 2560x1600, but they’re 30” so the DPI isn’t particularly high. If you have 1080p though you’re already on 16:9, did you mean 1920x1200?
- dijit 4y ago