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- increasingly ignores your search keywords, instead shoving unrelated stuff at you - removed ability to sort videos by date - removed dislikes what else....

- increasingly ignores your search keywords, instead shoving unrelated stuff at you - removed ability to sort videos by date - removed dislikes what else.....youtube UX has being getting worse for a few years.

voisin 4y ago
Fear not! Just serve more ads before and between every video! Sacrifice your user at the altar of advertisers and all will be fine in the world.
- sammalloy 4y ago
  YouTube is almost unwatchable. The show I’m viewing now has an ad every minute or so. I don’t see how they will survive another few years. They’ve literally angered their user base to the point of abandoning the platform.
  - bagacrap 4y ago
    You can't afford $9 a month or whatever it is to remove the ads? What other service are you planning to use instead that has no ads and no subscription fee?
  - voisin 4y ago
    There’s no alternative (though Tik Tok certainly is doing a decent job of taking all the short content). I think it would be a gangbuster opportunity for Apple to integrate user created content into Apple TV. They don’t need to rely on ad revenue, and similar to Microsoft kneecapping Google with ChatGPT, it would be a great opportunity for Apple to further hurt Google by winning longer form video content and driving advertisers away from YouTube. But I am not sure Apple has the stomach for the controversy that often surrounds user generated content. Maybe Facebook would be the better competitor, though they are as beholden to advertisers as Google. All I know is that it will take a massively well financed group that can sustain the server costs of video streaming with most of it generating zero revenue.
    - bagacrap 4y ago
      why is it apple's goal to "hurt Google"? With MSFT it's obvious that Satya is trying to distract a competitor in cloud, but chatgpt is hardly going to "kneecap" Google. Satya is hyping it with all the credibility of a used car salesman. There's zero evidence that LLMs are going to finally make Microsoft capable of launching a competitive search service.
      - voisin 4y ago
        > why is it apple's goal to "hurt Google"? I can’t tell if you are trolling. Google develops Android which is the primary competitor to Apple’s biggest product. If Google loses revenue it weakens its ability to compete. This directly benefits Apple. > With MSFT it's obvious that Satya is trying to distract a competitor in cloud, but chatgpt is hardly going to "kneecap" Google. Satya is hyping it with all the credibility of a used car salesman. There's zero evidence that LLMs are going to finally make Microsoft capable of launching a competitive search service. All the reporting on this seems to be consistent that Google is freaked out about ChatGPT, rushed its announcement of Bard, etc etc. So I guess you could have the opinion that ChatGPT isn’t a threat, but I think it is obvious you would be in the minority. No one knows for sure of course, but the smart money, and Google itself, seem to think it is a major threat.
AlexandrB 4y ago
Worse for whom? Everything you listed is favourable for cutting costs and pleasing/attracting advertisers[1]. There are not a lot of alternatives to YouTube, certainly nothing with the same size of audience, so squeezing the users and creators to improve revenue makes business sense. YouTube users are the product being sold, not the customers. [1] The recent crackdown on swearing falls in the same category.
the_af 4y ago
I've no use for the dislike button in YouTube ("never show me this channel again" is more useful) but its search/sort functions are getting increasingly broken.
- wankle 4y ago
  Just like the shorts panel, they will show them again. It's inevitable.
  - the_af 4y ago
    Ah, the shorts panel. A terrible, terrible idea I always close in the hopes YouTube gets the message. Thanks for reminding me!
tekno45 4y ago
You can still sort a search by date...
Arrath 4y ago
You can only hide the SUGGESTED SHORTS section temporarily, they pop up again like a nasty smell every week or so.
beardog 4y ago
In the early days, YouTube had a 5 star rating system which I think is better than a binary like/dislike. You also could customize your channel more including custom backgrounds.
- bagels 4y ago
  Turns out 5 star ratings provide little or no useful signal beyond like/dislike/views.
LatteLazy 4y ago
Worse for power users seeking specific things. Better for advertisers looking to push non-sense to toddler-level users.
throwaway3245 4y ago
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Ataraxic 4y ago
I am personally completely unable to understand the decision to remove the ability for me to search a youtuber's videos. I didn't even know this was something a video website could take away!
- mikeyouse 4y ago
  Is that specific to the app? I still see the video search inside the web UI for each creator's page.
  - Ataraxic 4y ago
    hmm I'm going to admit my mistake here. It does exist but it's hidden in the tabs. My m1 mac screen is not large enough to show the search icon which I must click on the right chevron icon to see as it's on the far right. I'm glad it's there but it wasn't always like this. I wonder if I'm just an idiot (totally possible), a dark pattern, or just a bad UI change.
adra 4y ago
I couldn't care 2 shits about the dislike gauge (felt more there to wax the ego of the powerless). Search as little as I use it is fine. Maybe you just don't have a ton of matching content left to watch, maybe it is worse but this all feels too subjective/situational to speak qualitatively about. Sort by date of me is only really relevant in a creators page, and the "uploads" stream is always by date recent to oldest, so profits? The only thing that has significantly gotten worse over the years is their ridiculous increase in ad placement throughout videos. I'm guessing you block ads or have premium because it HAS to be the #1 most hated change in YouTube over the past few years.

voisin 4y ago

Fear not! Just serve more ads before and between every video! Sacrifice your user at the altar of advertisers and all will be fine in the world.

sammalloy 4y ago
YouTube is almost unwatchable. The show I’m viewing now has an ad every minute or so. I don’t see how they will survive another few years. They’ve literally angered their user base to the point of abandoning the platform.
- bagacrap 4y ago
  You can't afford $9 a month or whatever it is to remove the ads? What other service are you planning to use instead that has no ads and no subscription fee?
- voisin 4y ago
  There’s no alternative (though Tik Tok certainly is doing a decent job of taking all the short content). I think it would be a gangbuster opportunity for Apple to integrate user created content into Apple TV. They don’t need to rely on ad revenue, and similar to Microsoft kneecapping Google with ChatGPT, it would be a great opportunity for Apple to further hurt Google by winning longer form video content and driving advertisers away from YouTube. But I am not sure Apple has the stomach for the controversy that often surrounds user generated content. Maybe Facebook would be the better competitor, though they are as beholden to advertisers as Google. All I know is that it will take a massively well financed group that can sustain the server costs of video streaming with most of it generating zero revenue.
  - bagacrap 4y ago
    why is it apple's goal to "hurt Google"? With MSFT it's obvious that Satya is trying to distract a competitor in cloud, but chatgpt is hardly going to "kneecap" Google. Satya is hyping it with all the credibility of a used car salesman. There's zero evidence that LLMs are going to finally make Microsoft capable of launching a competitive search service.
    - voisin 4y ago
      > why is it apple's goal to "hurt Google"? I can’t tell if you are trolling. Google develops Android which is the primary competitor to Apple’s biggest product. If Google loses revenue it weakens its ability to compete. This directly benefits Apple. > With MSFT it's obvious that Satya is trying to distract a competitor in cloud, but chatgpt is hardly going to "kneecap" Google. Satya is hyping it with all the credibility of a used car salesman. There's zero evidence that LLMs are going to finally make Microsoft capable of launching a competitive search service. All the reporting on this seems to be consistent that Google is freaked out about ChatGPT, rushed its announcement of Bard, etc etc. So I guess you could have the opinion that ChatGPT isn’t a threat, but I think it is obvious you would be in the minority. No one knows for sure of course, but the smart money, and Google itself, seem to think it is a major threat.

AlexandrB 4y ago

Worse for whom? Everything you listed is favourable for cutting costs and pleasing/attracting advertisers[1]. There are not a lot of alternatives to YouTube, certainly nothing with the same size of audience, so squeezing the users and creators to improve revenue makes business sense. YouTube users are the product being sold, not the customers. [1] The recent crackdown on swearing falls in the same category.

the_af 4y ago

I've no use for the dislike button in YouTube ("never show me this channel again" is more useful) but its search/sort functions are getting increasingly broken.

wankle 4y ago
Just like the shorts panel, they will show them again. It's inevitable.
- the_af 4y ago
  Ah, the shorts panel. A terrible, terrible idea I always close in the hopes YouTube gets the message. Thanks for reminding me!

tekno45 4y ago

You can still sort a search by date...

Arrath 4y ago

You can only hide the SUGGESTED SHORTS section temporarily, they pop up again like a nasty smell every week or so.

beardog 4y ago

In the early days, YouTube had a 5 star rating system which I think is better than a binary like/dislike. You also could customize your channel more including custom backgrounds.

bagels 4y ago
Turns out 5 star ratings provide little or no useful signal beyond like/dislike/views.

LatteLazy 4y ago

Worse for power users seeking specific things. Better for advertisers looking to push non-sense to toddler-level users.

throwaway3245 4y ago

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Ataraxic 4y ago

I am personally completely unable to understand the decision to remove the ability for me to search a youtuber's videos. I didn't even know this was something a video website could take away!

mikeyouse 4y ago
Is that specific to the app? I still see the video search inside the web UI for each creator's page.
- Ataraxic 4y ago
  hmm I'm going to admit my mistake here. It does exist but it's hidden in the tabs. My m1 mac screen is not large enough to show the search icon which I must click on the right chevron icon to see as it's on the far right. I'm glad it's there but it wasn't always like this. I wonder if I'm just an idiot (totally possible), a dark pattern, or just a bad UI change.

adra 4y ago

I couldn't care 2 shits about the dislike gauge (felt more there to wax the ego of the powerless). Search as little as I use it is fine. Maybe you just don't have a ton of matching content left to watch, maybe it is worse but this all feels too subjective/situational to speak qualitatively about. Sort by date of me is only really relevant in a creators page, and the "uploads" stream is always by date recent to oldest, so profits? The only thing that has significantly gotten worse over the years is their ridiculous increase in ad placement throughout videos. I'm guessing you block ads or have premium because it HAS to be the #1 most hated change in YouTube over the past few years.